• shuffle3765@sh.itjust.works
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    10 hours ago

    Because it’s a proxy metric for adoption. Currently you generally want your engineers to be using it as much as you can afford to so that they all learn and improve and adapt existing processes etc

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      5 hours ago

      Which is a stupid mindset.

      “Go forth and burn tokens and your performance will be measured on that”

      Looks like I’m going to make a for to ask for a for every word in /usr/share/dict/words. Look at all the tokens I burned.

      It doesn’t reflect upon business value, performance, or education.

      It’s even worse than the disastrous lines of code metric.

      Their problem is they have no idea what to expect, so to signal affinity to hype, they just measure tokens.

      • ElegantBiscuit@lemmy.zip
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        It’s just managers who have long since abandoned retaining any practical knowledge in the field, if they even had any at all, and pushing what their boss wants to hear and what they have all convinced themselves to be true in the world of management and linkedin lunatics, because that’s how you get promoted in management. Because everyone from the top down is all in on AI because those at a high enough level are all chasing a seat at the table of the ownership class holding the keys to the AI kingdom and the stock valuations that come from it.

        So if their company or their company’s AI model or AI usage makes them an important client of someone that the stock market has deemed important, or if they think their company is the special chosen one that will figure out the secret to AI productivity that none of the other thousands of companies will, that is all that matters. They know nothing about its actual usage, just that more tokens = more usage and therefore must be good, because more usage means their company stock goes up and it that means a bigger golden parachute.

        The problem is that either they are genuinely ignorant of the fact that it is a bubble, or they believe that they will be able to time their exit right. The worst part is that a lot of them will, but all the people and the organizational chaos that the burst of the bubble will create that they are knowingly contributing to, well that’s some other sucker’s problem. And that someone else is everyone, whose power and water bills will go up, whose ram and hard drive prices go up, and whose 401k will tank when the bubble collapses.

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      6 hours ago

      Engineers under such incentives should ask AI how to most easily and speedily consume as many credits as possible, I bet it knows a great way

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      6 hours ago

      But why force adoption? If it’s really good people would adopt it naturally like we do with every other tool. Why for this really expensive one, do we now flip the whole system on its head?

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        It’s kinda like the push to return to office. It was driven by corps having invested in the “can’t fail (ignoring the last previous crash)” real estate market and buying their offices. If everyone suddenly works from home instead of in the office, then those investments go bad because demand for office space is way down. So they tell people to go back to the office, hoping to return to that “every business needs offices!” status quo and save their investments. Though the demand is false (especially combined with layoffs), so it won’t necessarily cause any new corp to want that office space. If they don’t have the sunk cost, then they don’t need to accept the rest of the fallacy.

        With AI, it’s the same but just replace building investment with R&D as well as data centre investment. A lot of the companies really pushing AI are the ones that will profit from people going along with that. They really want to build a dependence amongst users as well as a good reputation for execs so they can get a return on the investment. Then there’s also the True Believers (who think LLMs are brilliant AIs that can solve anything if given the right prompts) and the FOMOs (who don’t know much about it but see the world moving towards it and don’t want to miss it because if it was a real AI, missing it could be a massive mistake). There’s also some people who just don’t have various skills and want the AI agents to fill those gaps (and probably don’t have a very good idea about what the LLMs are actually doing in those gaps).

        At this point, I think it’s a mistake to go all in on this tech. LLMs aren’t reliable, and their ability to “perform” is more about their flexibility than being well-suited for any task. They’ll go directly from saying things that seem “insightful” (they have no insight) to making the dumbest “mistake” (a mistake requires intent, which they lack, they just predict tokens). But there’s all kinds of false and true (albeit misguided IMO) demand right now and it’s still in early pricing mode (remember the intent is to make that investment money back).

        Oh and there’s also China which has been making more efficient models and open sourcing some of them. If they continue to do this, there’s a decent chance those investments will never give the desired returns, at least not to those who are trying to sell tokens. Or those who depend on those selling tokens, like any hardware companies selling hardware under the assumption that it will then make the money to pay for itself (which I believe both nVidia and AMD have done).

        It’s mirroring the dotcom bubble with that last bit because network cable companies started loaning the money to pay for their cables to ISPs, expecting returns that never came.

      • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
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        I don’t favor forced adoption… but your second sentence just isn’t true of individual people. It is ture of the industry in general. But individual people tend to stick with what they know and shy away from new things until something forces them out of that state. Usually it is someone else who tried a new tool and is suddenly able to do things easier or what not. It only takes a few power users to turn the tide. So forcing shouldn’t be needed. Just enabling those power users.

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      9 hours ago

      Also, I’ve been noticing more and more APIs are adopting a policy where they get rid of any unused credits that you’ve paid for at the end of the month, creating a ‘use it or lose it’ FOMO mentality.

      All very normal and sane.