We really need ranked choice voting
Ranked choice voting allows for multiple choices and parties and candidates
Approval voting system is better. Ranked choice is certainly an improvement, but it still incentivizes inflammatory and polarized politics and can still result in the candidate that is desirable to the most people losing (even being the first to be eliminated). But anything is better than the current First Past The Post system.
yeah, I agree
Why? Where do you use that anywhere else in your life
How often do you vote?
Dems: we released this report in order to make sure that you could trust us.
Also Dems: we investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong. It’s your fault for not voting for us.
And here they are acknowledging it was a poor investigation.
There’s no way the DNC could stop sniffing its own farts long enough to provide any kind of meaningful analysis of its own actions
I was surprised by how weak and digressive it was.
When they announced their intention to bury it I assumed that meant it was accurate and on point, and they wanted to bury it for exactly that reason.
But instead it almost feels like a whitewash - like the sort of thing the DNC would’ve ordered specifically to divert from the real problems of support for genocide and subservience to moneyed interests.
Makes me wonder if this is some sort of elaborate fraud - if they didn’t just throw this together as a substitute to release in place of the real autopsy.
This seems real to me. It was probably handed off to younger workers within the DNC who began asking the questions we all are asking. It probably caused a ruckus with the old guard squashing any of those conversations so nothing got done.
It’s typical corporate gridlock.
Paul Rivera spoke for an hour to big donors about the autopsy, prior to the announcement that they would not be releasing it publicly. This report was crafted to assure that business as usual politics would continue. Democrats don’t care if they lose as long as donations keep coming.
That’s it.
That’s the takeaway.
Democrats don’t care if they lose as long as donations keep coming.
Right, but that’s exactly why I assumed that the autopsy was accurate and on-point - because it found fault with things the DNC not only was but still is deliberately doing solely to keep the soft money rolling in, and in spite of the fact that those things will likely lead to a loss. That’s the reality they don’t want the voters to become (more) aware of.
But since it’s just a mealy-mouthed whitewash, it seems like they might as well have released it as promised.
The report only confirms that and they were trying to avoid being called out.
That or this AI slop of a report, with factual errors on almost every page and a blank conclusion section, isn’t the real report and is just fodder hoping to ignore the issues they don’t want to address.
Either way we can draw the same conclusion about party leadership.
Either way we can draw the same conclusion about party leadership.
True that. The names may have changed but the policies and strategies are the same now as they have been since at least 2016 - pimp the pro-corporate/pro-zionist “moderates” no matter what the voters want, at least ignore if not actively campaign against the progressives, again no matter what the voters want, and most important of all, don’t do anything that might cut into the flow of soft money.
To an extent. They and Republicans are committed to learning the wrong lesson. All these people refusing to vote Etc or voting third party. You will never get their attention or get them to learn from your actions. They will always look at the one of the two that won. And imitate them. It’s what’s happened for over 50 years. And the same people are still in charge.
They aren’t learning the wrong lessons because it’s not the public that they serve, it’s private interests. They know exactly what they are doing.
And if you’re a voter or someone who believes they should serve their constituents. What kind of lesson would you generally call it when they serve special interests instead? You are not disagreeing with me.
All these people refusing to vote Etc or voting third party. You will never get their attention or get them to learn from your actions.
They know.
Third party votes aren’t cast to win an election. However, third party voters certainly change local politics, where all of their progress is being made.
(for example, ballot initiatives in my state had massive third party participation, and have been successful)
re non-voters, they are growing every year, now at about 36%. They know they can’t get their attention or teach lessons, too.
Local politics? Absolutely. National politics yeah definitely not. A lot of people don’t understand the difference unfortunately. State and National parties are out of touch by Design.
This is them burying it. By releasing a highly dishonest version of events
What seems obvious is that Paul Rivera, who wrote this report by himself and provided absolutely no source material, was in way over his head and may have even made shit up.
What boggles my mind, though, is that rather than come out and say the report was poor quality and clearly omitted many important issues and thus has limited to no utility, DNC Chair Ken Martin went to the media and tried to sell it like there were important conclusions drawn and that the DNC was enacting them.
Ken Martin of course hand picked Paul Rivera to do this. I don’t know if he was trying to protect his own ego or what, but he very blatantly lied to the public about this report and has lost all credibility. I think it’s likely he loses his job soon.
What boggles my mind, though, is that rather than come out and say the report was poor quality and clearly omitted many important issues and thus has limited to no utility, DNC Chair Ken Martin went to the media and tried to sell it like there were important conclusions drawn and that the DNC was enacting them.
Why are you lying?
Back in factual reality, here are some of the things Ken Martin actually said about the report:
When I commissioned a comprehensive review of the 2024 election, I started a process to answer those questions while interrogating where our party has systemically and historically fallen short. I didn’t want that process led by anybody directly tied to the 2024 cycle – either the campaign or the consultants involved – and I did not want to put my own thumb on the scale for what might be produced. What I did ask for were actionable takeaways for the future. I wanted real, in-depth, specific recommendations to improve our allocation of resources, tech, data, organizing, media strategy, and more. I chose someone who I thought could produce this type of report.
When I received the report late last year, it wasn’t ready for primetime. Not even close. And because no source material was provided, fixing it would have meant starting over, from the beginning – every conversation, every interview, every data set.
I am not proud of this product; it does not meet my standards, and it won’t meet your standards. I don’t endorse what’s in this report, or what’s left out of it. I could not in good faith put the DNC’s stamp of approval on it.
Dude, fuck you for accusing me of lying. You might notice the statement you’re quoting from was released today, whereas I’m talking about everything Ken Martin said before today. Go back and watch the PSA (Pod Save America) interview I mentioned (in another comment), which was recorded a month ago.
You didn’t mention a “PSA interview” (whatever the fuck that is). You only mentioned that he “went to the media.” How the Hell was I supposed to know you were talking about something other than the thread article?
You’re right that I mentioned the Pod Save America interview in a different comment on this thread. But that’s just one interview, this story has been ongoing for over two months, with Ken Martin spouting the same lies over and over on many outlets. Jumping straight to “you’re lying” when you’re the one that lacks any context is awful. Next time try something like “But that’s the reason he gave in the article” to try to invite more information
I was surprised by how weak and digressive it was.
When they announced their intention to bury it I assumed that meant it was accurate and on point, and they wanted to bury it for exactly that reason.
On the contrary: the new DNC leadership is entirely different from the old, so the new leadership decided to bury it because they understood it was weak and digressive. You got it exactly backwards because you didn’t understand the leadership changed.
I know full well that the leadership changed.
I’m just not naive enough to believe for even a second that that has made or will make a fucking bit of difference.
The autopsy concluded that so-called “identity politics” don’t resonate with white male voters. The report noted the success of Trump’s attack ads, particularly the anti-trans spots with the kicker, “Kamala is for they/them, President Trump is for you.”
“If the vice president would not change her position—and she did not—then there was nothing which would have worked as a response,” the report asserts.
Fuck these ghouls
No wonder Democrats lose. The inclusion question and the GQPedos targeting groups is the easiest fix in the history of fixes, but Dems keep getting it wronger and wronger. The answer is not to make more exhaustive lists of the groups they want to help, which invariably leaves people out, it’s to say “everyone”. Any stupid questions about [insert targeted minority group], answer “everyone should feel and be safe”. This is an easy fix and they’ll taking 18 months to wiff on the answer? We’re in trouble.
Lmao
Ken Martin flat out lied about why they weren’t releasing this report, and attacked people who criticized him over it.
He has to go, and not just him.
His interview with Jon Favreau on Pod Save America was the absolute worst. It sounds like the guy did a great job in Minnesota, but whoever showed up for that interview that day is someone I want nowhere near power. And yeah, now we’ve confirmed what we suspected, the whole time he was talking down to Jon he was lying through his teeth. I agree he has to go.
Hands down the most frustrating thing I’ve ever listened to. I wanted to shut it down so many times. Jon did pretty well pushing back at him but I really wanted him to push harder whenever Ken said “we gave you lessons” and tell him he’s conflating morals/conclusions with lessons. Lessons come from learning from a past event and you can’t do that without knowing the background. Also wanted him to say more explicitly that asking for blind faith was bullshit.
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Guess it didn’t come up :\
Might be a hot take, but I think regardless of her or the DNCs position on Palestine she had already lost.
It’s very stupid to not have analyzed it in a report like this, but also literally like, what difference did it make
I really think as much as leftists want it to be Palestine, it’s really the same reasons that 2024 was a bad year for incumbents globally.
Possibly. I think there is something to be said for pushing away every politically active young person in your base and how that impacts your “ground game”, and failure of the ground game is something they do touch on.
What?
Did you literally just download the PDF and search for those three things, see 0, and then close it?
Because even just skimming thru any of the 193 pages would show you none of it’s is about specific policy positions, largely because with 4 years to the next presidential election, that would be entirely useless…
Like, we do not want the DNC picking policy, that’s what the candidate we vote for in primaries do.
A large organization like the DNC dictating policy for politicians to follow and using their influence as a party to get those people elected is what got us here in the fuckign first place
The paper is going to seem boring and it’s not going to have what you think, be cause it wasn’t written for us, and it wasn’t written up to be a list of reasons why Kamala lost, be ause everyone reading it would be very aware of why that happened.
The point of the paper was what a nonbiased organization could do to fix shit.
So (again, fucking obviously) it’s not going to list policy positions to push.
Your take that a political party should not address policy is laughable. You are not a serious person.
Putting aside the rest of their comment; the DNC is not a political party. Their job is to (edit: help Democrats) win elections and whip members to be in line with general policy messaging.
They’re more like the advertising arm of the party itself.
This. It’s a corporate entity, really a marketing company
Even if the semantic you’re drawing wasn’t completely stupid (it is), the advertising arm would benefit a lot from aligning itself with the voter base
The semantics were only drawn because the person I responded to misconstrued a comment and then talked down to the poster based on that. If you think it’s stupid to call that shit out then go off, I guess.
To your point: yes, they would. People have been yelling that for a while. Unfortunately, like the RNC, they’ve shown that they prioritize maintaining the cushy status quo for a small group of people. Dems lose. Voters get mad. The DNC raises hundreds of millions of dollars again the next go around and the game continues.
Under the section “Strong Ground Games Make the Difference”
Specific issue connection: The campaign connected workplace concerns like healthcare costs, scheduling stability, and wage protections directly to political choices. [p 36]
Under “Where Organizing Efforts Fell Short in 2024”
Messaging Misalignment. National Democratic messaging under the White House’s stewardship, created tensions with key constituencies. Climate change and green energy transition messaging created anxiety among workers in traditional industries worried about job losses. The focus on social issues over economic issues alienated socially conservative voters who prioritized kitchen- table concerns. The “Bidenomics” framing emphasized macro statistics rather than the micro realities voters experienced daily and specifically tied President Biden - by name - to actual economic anxiety. [p 36]
Organizational Decline in Key States. Shrinking investment in industrial states has reduced Democrats’ organizing capacity. Ohio’s organizing density dropped significantly as manufacturing declined. Younger members of organized groups show less partisan loyalty than previous generations. [p 36]
Abortion as a Crosscutting Issue
Brown hit Moreno hard on abortion in the final weeks, noting how 57% of Ohio voters had just enshrined abortion rights in the state constitution. Slotkin ran a multimillion-dollar ad campaign hammering Rogers on his abortion voting record. This issue allowed Democrats to peel off suburban women and moderate Republicans who might have been open to voting Republican down-ballot [p 37-38]
So clearly we at least dabbling in conversations about specific issues. But I think the more important counterpoint is you can’t have a conversation about the loss of Kamala Harris without mentioning Genocide.
So clearly we at least dabbling in conversations about specific issues
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Well, I do want to thank you for somewhat asking questions.
But those are not single issues, they are normal facets of society that constantly exist and will definitely still be an issue in four years.
Israel’s current government even just still being in power in 2028 isn’t guaranteed.
All those other issues, will be issues in 2028, and 2033, and literally every single election after.
And besides all of that, you’re examples still aren’t pushing policy decisions.
And as it mentions in big bold letters on literally every single page:
Disclaimer: This document reflects the views of the author, not the DNC. The DNC was not provided with the underlying sourcing, interviews, or supporting data for many of the assertions contained herein and therefore cannot independently verify the claims presented
Like, you’re blaming all of the DNC, how did you get those quotes and not see the giant red texts on every page?
How are you missing the point of, well, everything about this?
And besides all of that, you’re examples still aren’t pushing policy decisions.
Which was my point. You can have conversations about what happened without pushing policy decisions. I’m not sure why that’s difficult for you.
Because, they’re not gonna have the question:
Should we support genocide?
Which would be the equivalent to your quotes…
And they’re not gonna say:
Should we support Israel’s genocide on Palestinians
Because that is a single topic that may not be present in 2028, because Israel might actual get an election before then themselves, and there’s no way the current government wins an election.
I don’t understand what you want here, or why you keep blaming the DNC when literally every page in big red letters says:
Disclaimer: This document reflects the views of the author, not the DNC. The DNC was not provided with the underlying sourcing, interviews, or supporting data for many of the assertions contained herein and therefore cannot independently verify the claims presented
Like, we can have this discussion, but you need to understand the big bolded red letters on every page and talk about the one single guy who wrote this and personally decided what to include…
Do you get that part?
The big bolded red lettered part?
It seems like way more of this conversation is in your head than actually exists.
Disclaimer: This document reflects the views of the author, not the DNC. The DNC was not provided with the underlying sourcing, interviews, or supporting data for many of the assertions contained herein and therefore cannot independently verify the claims presented
Can you at least let me know that you understand blaming the DNC is completely illogical?
RIP
Wow… What a train wreck
I didn’t realize it’d be possible for it to be even more vapid and feckless than I expected…
Who the fuck cares anymore.
America already surrendered to tyrants.
Surrendered?? Wtf are you taking about? Things are dire out there, but there is a resistance. Get off your damn couch & join it, out build it if you have to
I would like to believe you are correct, but all I’ve seen is some sternly worded letters and people hanging out in the park with signs. Neither of these is much of a resistance. No answer to Project 2025. Nothing but a death by inches defensive approach politically. The Democrats selling out voters at every turn and calling it decorum or similar. It certainly looks like we’re cooked.
Don’t worry, folks…AIPAC had a chance to go through the data first, and they found nothing wrong with the conclusions made in this report.
10/10 AIPAC approved.
I seriously doubt this was prepared during the time they claim it was. It seems like a bunch of nothing words with a strict no mention of anything the left has been talking about being the issue. It’s like what you’d get if you asked a chat bot to prepare an almost 200 page document about why it wasn’t any of these things while being careful not to mention any of those things.
Former leadership appointed a single guy to write this report with no real academic resources, so it really just reads as that guy’s opinion.
I would buy that it’s just an out of touch loser’s opinion, but what kinda screws that up for me is that they didn’t even discuss Biden’s age or* cognitive issues being a significant factor. Anyone alive and* paying attention during the time, even someone who only watched morning Joe, would have mentioned that.
Edit: phone typos
It’s not a fair argument because Trump is also old as fucking dinosaur shit and has even worse lifestyle and habits.
Dems wanted their own lil epstein files to not release, then release edited bullshit
Really really really disingenuous to compare this to the Epstein Trump Files. Like the peak of false equivalence. “Being out of touch on the cause of voter abstinence is literally the same as raping and murdering children” like bro wtf are you on?
No homie, just the files, they didn’t wanna release them, nit talking about whats in them, no shit Sherlock over here Also it was an obvious joke but I guess some kids still need the /s 🤷♀️
dumbass
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Old DNC leader commissions bullshit, delusional report.Edit for correction: the new leader commissioned the report, but picked the wrong (i.e. old-guard) person to do it and got bullshit delusions as a result. -
New DNC leader realizes that it’s delusional bullshit and decides not to release it.
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Progressives demand it be released anyway.
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“It does not meet my standards, and it won’t meet your standards, but I am doing this because people need to be able to trust the Democratic Party and trust our word,” new DNC leader says.
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Lemmy idiots blame new DNC leader anyway.
I am pretty sure that the majority of that sort of anti-DNC opinion here on the fediverse are far from progressive, especially on Lemmy, because there is a large Tankie and foreign psyops presence which wants to radicalize people and sees the DNC as an enemy to their cause.
There might be a few progressives against the DNC’s leadership lately, but there are just as many “progressives” who support militaristic dictatorships whomst promoted and enabled the second Trump presidency in the first place.
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Lol…
I called it but so did anyone with a brain:
It was pointless to want this released, it was never going to be released to the public, and even if they did release it, the same people would make up a new complaint.
Asking the current DNC to explain why the “autopsy report sucks” is like asking Abraham Lincoln why he didn’t free the slaves during George Washington’s presidency…
Anyone asking that question is either an idiot or trying to mislead people.
When this report was made, the current DNC head was the Minnesota party chair. When he became the DNC chair, he got to change the entire DNC. The chair is essentially a presidency with a four year term.
Acting like this one has anything to do with the last one after a big pivot from neoliberalism is completely illogical.
The billionaires spread it via the media, but loads of people actually believe it and repeat it thinking it’s true
