Get over yourself and do something. You get credit for actions, not what you say or who you think you are.
What other people think of you is none of your business. If you are a genuine ally and aren’t just thinking about whether you’ve earned whatever place at the table you think you deserve, then it shouldn’t matter.
You get over yourself. You’re making assumptions about what I have and haven’t done. I haven’t enumerated those things for you because it’s performative and unnecessary, and I’m not going to dance for you like a monkey.
Respect and solidarity are a two-way street and since you’re clearly offering me none, then you’ll get none back from me either.
I’m not asking for credit or points. I’m pointing out a trend, an issue that I’ve experienced personally and have noticed is more prevalent than just myself. I’ve even pointed out how it can damage progress, in case you’re wondering why you should care.
I don’t need your approval to have a basic sense of self-respect, and if you think I do then I don’t want a place at your table. And if you think that makes me the racist, then quite frankly you can get the fuck over yourself because I’m not bending over backwards to please people anymore.
No seriously, this is clearly going right over your head and you’ve proved my point three times in as many comments.
You’re expecting me to do performative bullshit for you to beg for your approval in order to be labeled as “non-racist.” You think I haven’t been through that song and dance before?
The fact is, no matter what I do, it will never be enough for you. Because you’re demanding performative bullshit, so no matter what I do you’ll dismiss as performative.
And guess what? Even if I somehow magically convince you to deem me non-racist, the next time I encounter someone else they’ll make the same demands and it all starts over again.
That is not a fate that any self-respecting individual would consign themselves to. No one is or should be required to continuously debase themselves just to gain the approval of others.
I’m not obliged to do anything for you, and yet you keep coming back with this attitude like you’re entitled to push me around, as if I owe you something, and you’re premising it all based on nothing other than my race alone. You’re racist, dude.
Excellent. It wasn’t a matter of if, but when, you would pull out the very-not-at-all-ever-used-to-carry-water-for-white-supremacy reverse racism accusation. I will say that in your first post you did a fairly good job of keeping the mask on.
you’re premising it all based on nothing other than my race alone.
I’m premising it on how your inordinate tone-deaf defensiveness is basically textbook.
And I’m begging you- in your next response, please remind us that all lives matter.
Well there it is again, you just keep baselessly accusing me of racism because you lack the self-awareness to do any introspection and consider the fact that you might actually be the one that’s wrong.
This is the kind of shit that I was talking about. What you’re doing right now is what pushes millions of young people into these extremist camps. Clearly giving a shit what you think isn’t an option, and once you use all your cliché “this-and-that rebuttal make you racist because I said so!” to every possible response, and push people out of any spaces where they might make friends with progressive people, then obviously they resort to less wholesome spaces where they commiserate with people who have had similar experiences. Those echo chambers become the poaching grounds for extremist orgs to radicalize those people in large numbers.
And by the way, you really water down the meaning of the word racism by throwing it around so lightly. It starts to lose meaning, so it becomes hard not to roll one’s eyes any time they hear someone like you calling someone else racist.
Oh and lastly? You’re doing that thing where you’re pretending no one can ever be racist against white people, which is demonstrably false. It’s like you don’t realize how cliché it sounds to parrot stupid shit like “reverse racism” being something only a white supremacist could accuse you of. No, dude, you’re just racist. And no amount of exceptionalism will cover that up.
push people out of any spaces where they might make friends with progressive people, then obviously they resort to less wholesome spaces where they commiserate with people who have had similar experiences. Those echo chambers become the poaching grounds for extremist orgs to radicalize those people in large numbers.
“You kept calling us racist so we had no choice but to become racist”
Complete misrepresentation of what I said, but since you’ve been intent on missing the point this whole conversation then I’m not going to bother trying to get it through to you. Feel free to keep pushing successive generations of young people into the extremist camps, I’m sure that won’t come back to bite you on the ass.
It seems we’re having a lag anyway, because you seem to be stuck in an era from at least few years ago when you could rely on cheap clichés, virtue signaling, and confirmation bias to accuse any white guy of being racist for no reason at all to bait him into getting defensive so that you can use his defensiveness to double down on calling him racist. People see through that shit now, and you haven’t caught on yet.
And honestly, I really don’t care anymore. You’ve pushed so damn many potential allies over the edge that quite frankly it’s hard to sympathize. We cared about what’s right, we wanted to contribute to a good cause. You chose to use us as punching bags instead of working together. I hope you feel empowered, cause I’m focused on my own shit now.
Get over yourself and do something. You get credit for actions, not what you say or who you think you are.
What other people think of you is none of your business. If you are a genuine ally and aren’t just thinking about whether you’ve earned whatever place at the table you think you deserve, then it shouldn’t matter.
You get over yourself. You’re making assumptions about what I have and haven’t done. I haven’t enumerated those things for you because it’s performative and unnecessary, and I’m not going to dance for you like a monkey.
Respect and solidarity are a two-way street and since you’re clearly offering me none, then you’ll get none back from me either.
I’m not asking for credit or points. I’m pointing out a trend, an issue that I’ve experienced personally and have noticed is more prevalent than just myself. I’ve even pointed out how it can damage progress, in case you’re wondering why you should care.
I don’t need your approval to have a basic sense of self-respect, and if you think I do then I don’t want a place at your table. And if you think that makes me the racist, then quite frankly you can get the fuck over yourself because I’m not bending over backwards to please people anymore.
Ladies and gentlemen, your non-racist white liberal ally.
Don’t stop. This is educational.
No seriously, this is clearly going right over your head and you’ve proved my point three times in as many comments.
You’re expecting me to do performative bullshit for you to beg for your approval in order to be labeled as “non-racist.” You think I haven’t been through that song and dance before?
The fact is, no matter what I do, it will never be enough for you. Because you’re demanding performative bullshit, so no matter what I do you’ll dismiss as performative.
And guess what? Even if I somehow magically convince you to deem me non-racist, the next time I encounter someone else they’ll make the same demands and it all starts over again.
That is not a fate that any self-respecting individual would consign themselves to. No one is or should be required to continuously debase themselves just to gain the approval of others.
I’m not obliged to do anything for you, and yet you keep coming back with this attitude like you’re entitled to push me around, as if I owe you something, and you’re premising it all based on nothing other than my race alone. You’re racist, dude.
Excellent. It wasn’t a matter of if, but when, you would pull out the very-not-at-all-ever-used-to-carry-water-for-white-supremacy reverse racism accusation. I will say that in your first post you did a fairly good job of keeping the mask on.
I’m premising it on how your inordinate tone-deaf defensiveness is basically textbook.
And I’m begging you- in your next response, please remind us that all lives matter.
Well there it is again, you just keep baselessly accusing me of racism because you lack the self-awareness to do any introspection and consider the fact that you might actually be the one that’s wrong.
This is the kind of shit that I was talking about. What you’re doing right now is what pushes millions of young people into these extremist camps. Clearly giving a shit what you think isn’t an option, and once you use all your cliché “this-and-that rebuttal make you racist because I said so!” to every possible response, and push people out of any spaces where they might make friends with progressive people, then obviously they resort to less wholesome spaces where they commiserate with people who have had similar experiences. Those echo chambers become the poaching grounds for extremist orgs to radicalize those people in large numbers.
And by the way, you really water down the meaning of the word racism by throwing it around so lightly. It starts to lose meaning, so it becomes hard not to roll one’s eyes any time they hear someone like you calling someone else racist.
Oh and lastly? You’re doing that thing where you’re pretending no one can ever be racist against white people, which is demonstrably false. It’s like you don’t realize how cliché it sounds to parrot stupid shit like “reverse racism” being something only a white supremacist could accuse you of. No, dude, you’re just racist. And no amount of exceptionalism will cover that up.
“You kept calling us racist so we had no choice but to become racist”
DRINK!
Complete misrepresentation of what I said, but since you’ve been intent on missing the point this whole conversation then I’m not going to bother trying to get it through to you. Feel free to keep pushing successive generations of young people into the extremist camps, I’m sure that won’t come back to bite you on the ass.
It seems we’re having a lag anyway, because you seem to be stuck in an era from at least few years ago when you could rely on cheap clichés, virtue signaling, and confirmation bias to accuse any white guy of being racist for no reason at all to bait him into getting defensive so that you can use his defensiveness to double down on calling him racist. People see through that shit now, and you haven’t caught on yet.
And honestly, I really don’t care anymore. You’ve pushed so damn many potential allies over the edge that quite frankly it’s hard to sympathize. We cared about what’s right, we wanted to contribute to a good cause. You chose to use us as punching bags instead of working together. I hope you feel empowered, cause I’m focused on my own shit now.
I have them tagged as Canadian Troglodyte, for what it’s worth. This is par for the course for this douchebag.