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sanitation@lemmy.radio to politics @lemmy.world · 20 hours ago

Why is the Democratic party still hiding its 2024 election autopsy?

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Why is the Democratic party still hiding its 2024 election autopsy?

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sanitation@lemmy.radio to politics @lemmy.world · 20 hours ago
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Why is the Democratic party still hiding its 2024 election autopsy? | Norman Solomon
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No one has more at stake than Kamala Harris – who has ‘signaled’ support for its release without saying so publicly
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    More than half of Americans (53%) say the conflict between Israel and Hamas is either very or somewhat important to them personally.

    Pew Research - Apr 7, 2026 survey

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      “Somewhat” is doing some heavy lifting there. Of course I mean: important enough to alter their vote. So 22% per the article say the Israel-Hamas conflict is “very” important (which was less in 2024). Those who would base their vote on it is a smaller subset. Those who would base their vote on it and not think Trump was significantly worse a yet smaller subset of this subset. Some of the 22% might favour a tougher approach against Hamas, and/or support the Gaza genocide.

      All this is even still ignoring the fact that Jewish Americans heavily favour the Democrats, and while many certainly aren’t Bibi fanboys, the Democrats cannot afford to alienate this part of their voter base (and in the oligarchic system of the US, that they have above-average incomes also makes them more valuable voters), making it less than obvious that a more hardline approach towards Israel would bear electoral fruit.

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        I think you’re just moving the goalposts now.

        Of course I mean: important enough to alter their vote.

        Can you point me to a survey that tracks this? You suggested there was survey data to support your claim, but I am unaware of any survey that asks if Israel/Palestine is important enough to change votes.

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          There’s dozens of polls that show how the Dems position on Israel/Palestine cost them votes

          The data on why the Democrats failed to win is clear

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          https://blueprint2024.com/polling/harris-poll-positive-message-8-8/

          https://blueprint-research.com/polling/distance-biden-ads-message-test-10-15/

          “This was a preventable disaster,” Cook said, “but Harris and the Democratic Party leadership prioritized the agendas of corporate donors and gambled on a centrist path, while largely abandoning working-class, young, and progressive voters.”

          We know what the autopsy is about, and why they won’t release it.

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            You and I are in agreement on the political question here: The Kamala campaign’s support for Israel’s genocide lost her the election.

            But there is a specific technical question I’m asking in this argument: is there an American poll that asked potential voters if their vote is changed by the Israel/Palestine conflict?

            I went through the links you provided quickly and I didn’t see any indication that this question was asked.

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              I’m not sure that exact poll has been done, not to my knowledge

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      Why are you linking to a study that took place more than a year after the election?

      In the context of this thread it’s more important to know how people felt during the election

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        Because I’m not a Pew Research historian, and I’m not writing a research paper here.

        You’re correct that data from 2024 would be more relevant, but 2026 data is still revealing. The commenter said that an “extremely small minority” cared about the conflict [in 2024].

        Are you suggesting that they are correct, an extremely small minority cared during 2024, but now in 2026 that has ballooned to >50%? That is an extraordinary claim; if you are making such a claim then please provide evidence.

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          You don’t need to be a pew research historian to think critically and evaluate a source. You even posted the date. You were most of the way there.

          Are you suggesting that they are correct, an extremely small minority cared during 2024, but now in 2026 that has ballooned to >50%? That is an extraordinary claim; if you are making such a claim then please provide evidence.

          No I am not. I’m pointing out the issue of your data set.

          I doubt it was a small minority, but 53% (or whatever it actually was during the election) of people can somewhat care about an issue without it being their primary voting issue. The people that made it their primary issue was likely a small minority of voters. That’s my take anyhow.

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            Up-thread you said:

            you can just look up surveys on whether or not US voters say the Israel-Palestine conflict is important to them, and you’ll find that an extremely small minority of voters say it is

            Now you say “it being their primary voting issue” which is a much stronger assertion. Things can still be important even if there’s something else even more important.

            So where will you be moving the goalposts next?

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              I never said that if you look up thread you’ll see that was another user…

              Fish for an argument elsewhere. I just want people to think about their sources a bit

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            I doubt it was a small minority

            Great, so you do agree with me. I appreciate it.

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              Yes? That doesn’t address the dataset issue which was all I was pointing out.

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