I’d agree that it’s likely a waste of time to work on changing the minds of those people directly.
Now add the urgency factor. They are fucking with us right now, and that will only get worse until we stop them. That’s a power issue, not a matter of judicious application of sweet reason.
Not sure what point you’re making in the context of what you quoted. You’re replying to a comment that was written to try and help someone with a specific belief (“people are just like that”) and get them to attempt to think of the material factors that caused that belief.
My point was that “people just think that way” is a self defeating perspective. I believe that we CAN defeat and prevent harmful ideas that are rooted (not in the mind alone) but influenced and accepted because of material causes.
So, I can’t really tell what you mean. Are you saying that trying to “convince” them is unfruitful? If so, I agree. Someone is often very times unable to simply change their beliefs through the introduction of well explained reason.
But, that was going to be my conclusion. I was attempting to baby step them there. That people are not quickly moved through ideas. The masses are moved through the material conditions that govern those ideas.
A young adult able to afford rent and to live is less likely to join the military and bomb brown children. A young adult that doesn’t have to work 7 days a week for multiple jobs is less likely to believe ideas of white supremacy that promise them comforting lies.
People aren’t “just like that”. There are very real and very quickly changeable conditions that influence someone’s probability of being “like that”.
Sorry. A rant. But since you replied I wanted to at least get to the conclusion I was trying to reach in conversation.
Now add the urgency factor. They are fucking with us right now, and that will only get worse until we stop them. That’s a power issue, not a matter of judicious application of sweet reason.
Not sure what point you’re making in the context of what you quoted. You’re replying to a comment that was written to try and help someone with a specific belief (“people are just like that”) and get them to attempt to think of the material factors that caused that belief.
My point was that “people just think that way” is a self defeating perspective. I believe that we CAN defeat and prevent harmful ideas that are rooted (not in the mind alone) but influenced and accepted because of material causes.
So, I can’t really tell what you mean. Are you saying that trying to “convince” them is unfruitful? If so, I agree. Someone is often very times unable to simply change their beliefs through the introduction of well explained reason.
But, that was going to be my conclusion. I was attempting to baby step them there. That people are not quickly moved through ideas. The masses are moved through the material conditions that govern those ideas.
A young adult able to afford rent and to live is less likely to join the military and bomb brown children. A young adult that doesn’t have to work 7 days a week for multiple jobs is less likely to believe ideas of white supremacy that promise them comforting lies.
People aren’t “just like that”. There are very real and very quickly changeable conditions that influence someone’s probability of being “like that”.
Sorry. A rant. But since you replied I wanted to at least get to the conclusion I was trying to reach in conversation.