That’s because they were authoritarian, not socialist. Just like the Nazis called themselves socialist, despite being obviously authoritarian. Same way that American fascists love to co-opt and redefine words like “liberty, freedom, grooming,” etc.
By definition, socialism is a movement of, by, and for working people; distributing power democratically among the working class, and removing power from the wealthy and powerful. If a regime claims to be socialist while maintaining centralized, dictatorial power, then they have hijacked the movement to their own ends while coopting the language of it. Those regimes you mention were authoritarian because they failed to achieve socialism.
This guy refuses to engage with the fact that the Zapatistas exist, an anarchist region with at least 300,000 people living under it, and also that Revolutionary Spain existed, an extremely successful example of anarchism in practice which resisted Nazi Germany better than any democratic nation in mainland Europe. I have pointed them out to him a few times now and he just keeps ignoring it, like an NPC in Westworld. It’s more comfortable to deny reality when it lets you go on believing your existing beliefs. Admitting that you’re wrong is hard.
That’s because they were authoritarian, not socialist. Just like the Nazis called themselves socialist, despite being obviously authoritarian. Same way that American fascists love to co-opt and redefine words like “liberty, freedom, grooming,” etc.
Socialism is authoritarian. There has never existed an example of a Socialist regime that wasn’t.
By definition, socialism is a movement of, by, and for working people; distributing power democratically among the working class, and removing power from the wealthy and powerful. If a regime claims to be socialist while maintaining centralized, dictatorial power, then they have hijacked the movement to their own ends while coopting the language of it. Those regimes you mention were authoritarian because they failed to achieve socialism.
Funny how that has happened every single time.
Oh come on, every social movement by the people gets hijacked by corporate interests these days. Anything for a buck. That’s what they do
Which is why the strict regulation of a well functioning democracy is the only thing we have to protect ourselves against that.
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This guy refuses to engage with the fact that the Zapatistas exist, an anarchist region with at least 300,000 people living under it, and also that Revolutionary Spain existed, an extremely successful example of anarchism in practice which resisted Nazi Germany better than any democratic nation in mainland Europe. I have pointed them out to him a few times now and he just keeps ignoring it, like an NPC in Westworld. It’s more comfortable to deny reality when it lets you go on believing your existing beliefs. Admitting that you’re wrong is hard.