God this is a weird thread.
How come human laws don’t apply to animals?
Sorry to break it to you kids but billions of people all over the world literally eat animals every day.
Barbaric ? Perhaps, but it’s fair to assume that 100% of your ancestors in the last 100,000 years have delighted in this activity as often as possible.
You may not wish to acknowledge this but the reality is: your beloved dog or cat is a lesser being, assigned very few rights.
Obviously if you have a pet dog then you treat that dog differently as you would a chicken living in a cage in a shed with 10,000 other chickens in cages but that dog’s right to life is merely an extension of your rights as that dog’s owner.
Because of religious moralistic bullshit.
Good lord it is way past time to allow people to Euthanize themselves.
Death with dignity really should be more flexible than it currently is.
Because the foundation of everything related to legal framework we built, is human exceptionalism. And human exceptionalism has foundation in darwinian natural selection.
Tl;DR This is how world works
In some countries it is.
Including the U.S.
The answer OP is looking for is: if you make it easy to kill people in pain you make it easier to kill people who aren’t. This is true for any animal including dogs our law just cares about their lives less.
Countries that have assisted dying do not make it “easy”. Especially when someone isn’t physically ill, they throw every type of therapy and help at them to persuade them not to kill themselves.
Didn’t say they did. Just “easier”
Another answer OP is looking for and probably doesn’t want to hear: most people value human life more than non-human life.
Bad example. In the US it’s super cool to deny care for dollars. Illness and death are built into the system from for profit hospitals to health insurance and pharma pricing.
Edit: Downvote all you like, but Luigi isn’t a folk hero without reason.
Killing people is not the same as letting them die of natural causes.
Capitalist exploitation is a natural cause? That’s a wild take.
Next time, try it without the “Appeal to Nature” / Naturalistic Fallacy.
But technically humans are part of nature!
Lol, how absurd.
And for everything that is not solvable in an ER visit, go and die somewhere out of sight.
You cannot put a person down for being sick. Even in countries where euthanasia is allowed, the person has to ask for it, under formal circumstances following formal rules.
That’s totally besides the point. The reason humans get to say when a pet should be euthanized is just because animals aren’t capable of deciding it and communicating it.
Nope, not when a perfectly healthy happy good dog is put down because the owner find it best, or when an animal shelter put down animals they can’t find homes for, or when a Zoo put down young animals, because their cuteness has been expended, and the zoo doesn’t want more grown animals.
In all these cases there is absolutely no reason to think the animal wants to die. So it is not about communication, it’s because an animal is a thing you can own and do with what you want, as long as it isn’t too cruel.That’s not euthanasia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia
Quote:
Euthanasia … is the practice of intentionally ending life to eliminate pain and suffering.
O.o
So it is allowed.
Oh for fucks sake, it is not allowed to be the decision of others, only the person that wants it, and only under certain circumstances, like being terminally ill and in pain.
Certain circumstances can be “being very, very depressed.” You don’t have to be ill or in physical pain.
True.
Because humans apply higher standards to themselves then they do to other animals.
It’s actually way worse, because you can have a dog put down that is perfectly healthy, even when other people want to adopt the dog.
If you have a dog you literally own it, and the only regulation that protects the dog are rules against animal cruelty.
You cannot own a human being.Not here in Germany. You won’t find a vet who will kill a healthy animal. Kill shelters are also not a thing. Ditto the UK.
OK then you are more progressed than we are here in Denmark.
But our neighbor did exactly what I wrote, in her defense she was dying of cancer, but we and another family she knew both offered to adopt the dog, the dog was very fond of both of us, my wife walked it daily, and when we visited, the dog would jump on the couch and lie across my lap, which it did for nobody else. But she went ahead and had the dog put down anyway. Perfectly legal as it is done humanely. My wife actually has trauma about the incident, because the vet came to her house, and my wife was there for support, and when my wife found the leash to hold him, he was so filled with joy because he thought they were going for a walk, but it was only to hold him while he was injected.
So here you can have perfectly healthy happy good dogs put down, even when 2 families were ready to adopt it.
Her reason for doing it was that she didn’t want the dog to miss her after she died.
You cannot own a human being.
Anymore. Humans can be amazing and very cruel.
But yes, ask a veterinarian and they will tell you sadly why.
Unless this was a case of USA defaultism, slavery still exists. In fact there’s more slaves today than ever before. 50 million slaves last I checked. Mostly because overall human population has obviously increased drastically too but I digress.
Also USA constitution exempts prisoners so still okay in a limited capacity.
Privatized prisons are slavery too, you’re right.
State-run prisons where labor can be required would also qualify as slavery by any definition.
Depends I guess if you view UNICOR as private or not since it’s government owned. We call them crown corporations in Canada.
Anymore
Exactly, and when you could, it was also allowed to beat them to death, as long as they didn’t die immediately, but it took a day or two. Those are the rules of the bible.
From experience, it was hard to have a healthy dog put down. It was my dad’s dog and my dad had dementia. It was a very aggressive dog and killed other dogs in the pack. I had to keep convincing the vet it was a danger to have. It wasn’t an easy process.
I had to keep convincing the vet it was a danger to have. It wasn’t an easy process.
If it wasn’t your dog, you are not the one to decide, obviously your dad having dementia means he isn’t fit to make the decision. You did well in this case. And I think the doctor was acting according to regulation.
But when you actually are the owner, it’s a very different story, and our neighbor did exactly what I wrote, in her defense she was dying of cancer, but we and another family she knew both offered to adopt the dog, the dog was very fond of both of us, my wife walked it daily, and when we visited, the dog would jump on the couch and lie across my lap, which it did for nobody else. But she went ahead and had the dog put down anyway. Perfectly legal as it is done humanely.
My wife actually has trauma about the incident, because the vet came to her house, and my wife was there for support, and when my wife found the leash to hold him, he was so filled with joy because he thought they were going for a walk, but it was only to hold him while he was injected.So yes you can have perfectly healthy happy good dogs put down, you don’t even have to give a reason. They also do it at rescue shelters all the time.
My stepfather made use of Oregon’s Death With Dignity law. Him scheduling his death a week out was… weird, but I’m always glad it was an option.
Though at one point a doc did legally have to inform him that instead of the painless and easy medical assisted death he could instead choose to stop eating or drinking.
Society does not value animal lives as much as human lives. You’re free to draw your personal line elsewhere.
This is apparently an insane hot take, but personally, I don’t think it’s okay.
It’s okay to treat your dog as family and to reject the concept of “it’s okay to kill him if he’s in enough pain!”, same as they would never even think of suggesting doing that to a human.
– Frost
My cat suddenly became paralysed last year. What should I have done?
Humans should be allowed to be put out of their misery as well
Some countries allow it. The major difference is that other people cannot choose for you. Your family can’t “put you down” but you can choose to have a doctor assist.
And shouldn’t need to be terminally ill or old.
If I wanna peace out (humanely) at any age past adulthood, I should be able to.
I agree in theory, but often the desire to end one’s life is often symptom of a treatable disease, or short term situation. Less than 10 percent of people who survive a suicide attempt, latter try again and succeed. There would need to be a lot of safety net in place, just like there is for the terminal.
Honestly I think it could save people. Knowing there is a way out, so to speak, could prevent people from attempts on their own. Not to mention it would prevent traumatizing whoever finds a successful suicide. Needing proof that other treatments are inactive would get even more the help they need.
I can see where you’re potentially coming from.
But I don’t think you comprehend how violent an act of suicide is in almost all cases.
It takes an insane level of commitment to go through with that the first time, more so for the subsequent attempts.
Also of the people who really aim to end it, succeed on the first try.
I don’t know about you, but if given the choice, I probably wouldn’t be here. There’s nothing particularly wrong with me physically, I just don’t want to be here.
Been the case over a decade ago. Pretty much back as long as I can remember. Still the case today.
I do agree with the point that a humane way out will probably have a net positive impact in almost all cases. Especially if it comes with “here’s a list of things you should consider doing to lessen the impact on your family and significant other” or something of the sort. Needless to say, but should be entirely optional.
I don’t think I agree with the “other treatments” mentality though. That just sounds like what the Americans are doing with their abortion clinics trying to emotionally blackmail people into not aborting their child by forcing you to listen to heartbeats and look at ultrasounds.
The interesting thing about suicide is that it can be “contagious”. Also being under the influence increases the risk of it, not to mention access to a gun. This is some of the evidence that points to most suicides being an impulsive act. Having a plan already in place to go to the “euthanasia clinic” could curb some of the impulsive suicides. Completely understand the comparison to the stupid abortion clinic ridiculousness. It just seems like there needs to be a way to ensure the people using it are in the statistical group of multiple suicide attempts that end in success.
I’m sorry you feel like you don’t want to be here. I absolutely understand that, there have been many times in my life when I felt the same. I don’t know the right way to say this, but have you tried therapy or medication? Both have helped me at various points in my life, and it is a relief not to feel that way. I say this because it isn’t too late for you. By the time I was truly feeling excited by living, I was diagnosed with a brain tumor. I hope you can find a path to looking forward to being here in the world most of the time.
Found Kristi Noem’s account
Because religion.
Huhhh?!
Because legally, pets are chattel.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/chattelIt depends on the state, actually. Some states allow that.
Ibfind it ironic that to put an animal out of it’s misery is called being “humane” though to do it to another person is called “homicide”.
Well it’s the definition of homicide, which is just death caused by another person.
