I’m specifically meaning the traffic mapping and collaborative reporting side of Waze and Gmaps, I know navigation via Comaps is possible but I haven’t seen anything that I can contribute to, to help others with time estimates etc.
The biggest problem is scale. You need enough people to use it to even be remotely useful. Google has the movement data for so many phones that the can detect traffic problem only through the phones moving more slowly. Then there is waze where people actively add data. Even if there was an app that had the same functionality you wouldn’t get any benefit if you are the only in a 100km radius.
Waze is also owned by google.
I know. I was just talking about the amount of data that is available that is hard to reproduce in the FOSS world.
but it might have sounded like you separated these two; the point of the commenter above, i believe, was that google maps and waze now share the same data. i do believe that getting all these contributors and keeping them is the reason why google didn’t kill the waze already but is just slow-crippling it instead.
some volunteers might be happy to contribute data to waze, while they might not be as happy to do the same for google.
i do agree with your point about certain amount of data needed for the crowd-sourced functions to be useful.
How exactly are they crippling Waze?
It’s much better for input & feedback than Maps.
You can give verbal reports by phone or Android Auto/Car Play. Can give more variety of reports, eg: potholes, blocked lane, road kill. And it gives a very accurate countdown timer for how long you’re stuck in traffic. Waze is the superior app… IMHO.
No. Live traffic data is too much server overhead for an un-monetized service.
Also, someone would have to be tracking where everyone is.There’s definitely a way to implement it while maintaining privacy
We just need a company or organization that’s not comically evil
company or organization that’s not comically evil
In a capitalist system? Good luck with that.
A nonprofit organization, sure, but definitely not a company or a not-for-profit organization.
Honest question; what is the difference between a nonprofit and a not-for-profit org?
In the meantime, one could parasitically use the Data from Google, e.g. in OSMAnd Link (in German but with useful screenshots).
Is magic earth Foss? Im not entirely sure but they at least do traffic.
Not foss and traffic is now paywalled
No.
I use herewego when I need traffic data. afaict, it’s from the company tomtom and uses the data they are gathering from thier truck logistics business. Based in Germany.
traffic data from trucks can’t be very useful for civilian traffic.
Why not? They are on the highways which is what gets fucked.
it might probably depend on your location, but where i live trucks have one lane and they they are forbidden by law to block the other ones (not that they respect that to the letter). but the trucks may be standing still while the other lanes are fine (or at least not standing still). then the information from truck navigation means nothing for me in passenger car.
another point is that trucks run some specific routes, they drive from a factory to some warehouse, but they don’t randomly drive aroud the city center. they also just can’t physically take some routes (sharp turns, narrow roads, low bridges, etc.)
so the data from trucks only cover small part of the road network and on top of that some of them is not relevant for passenger cars.
OK fine. I was giving advice based on my personal situation.
On another note, how does the bread get from the bakery to the restaurant where you are if not for trucks?
On another note, how does the bread get from the bakery to the restaurant where you are if not for trucks?
ok, lets define the terms.
this is the truck (the one they make special navigation for. the one that is basically just a van does not need special navigation, it uses the same one as passenger cars.):
so what kind of restaurants are you visiting and how much bread do they use there? 😂
Uh. I suspect those vans probably use an actual logistics system, unless Borat runs your countries restaurant distribution system. Most restaurants here in the US buy their food from Sysco or that other company, there are many smaller distributors also. Those are using a logistics system of some sort.
Insurance here in the US really likes trucks to go the speed limit. Every medium size business I can think of uses some sort of GPS logistics system to monitor drivers. It’s only shitheads like Amazon and FedEX that have cameras on the drivers (I think the UPS union shot that down) but I know for a fact that all three of those companies have GPS tracking on their trucks.
unless Borat runs your countries
if borat ran your country it would be heavy improvement for you. are you sure you want to be dismissive about other countries?
so to recap: this is the truck for which they make navigation for trucks.
data from such navigations for trucks can’t be useful for civilian cars for reasons stated above, which was my point. this concludes my contribution to this discussion.
Wait, Tom Tom is German? So European.
I guess? I skimmed the TOS and when I agreed to it they stated they were German.
TomTom is based in the Netherlands.
Indeed, no but demand is rising as osm becomes known and a legit map replacement.
Need traffic data.
Give me android implementation.
Or rather give me phone projection that isnt tied to google or apple.
yeah nah. organic maps for speed and footpaths-ish. Osmand for accuracy, quality map so much good mapdata it breaks my telephone.
but road traffic estimates, meh idk osm is the ultimate collab map though. #fuck car
OsmAnd is excellent, can rec.
There’s also Organic Maps, which is also pretty good, but I personally prefer OsmAnd. And as another user posted below, OM has a bit of lack of transparency, so instead CoMaps is handier, that’s a fork from it.
When traffic’ll pop it will be a pluggin in osmand I believe :)
There’s this project, which I believe just needs to be integrated into the map of your choice (OsmAnd has support already if I’m not mistaken).
**EDIT: ** Added link.
I think you’re missing a link?
Oh, I thought I pasted it. Thanks! Edited the post with the link.
As of now, Waze can’t be beat. Even better than Maps.
You can give verbal reports by phone or Android Auto/Car Play. Can give more variety of reports, eg: potholes, blocked lane, road kill. And it gives a very accurate countdown timer for how long you’re stuck in traffic. Waze is the superior app… IMHO.
Last Sunday, we drove behind 2 snow plows in New Hampshire. Waze actually gave us a countdown timer for how long we’d be in traffic. It literally worked and knew where the snow plows were exiting the highway.
As it should be, I’ll reference the openTraffic effort wich I think is stale since about 10years. There definitely is a need for this infrastructure as opensource map users grow along the years. https://github.com/opentraffic
https://organicmaps.app/ uses openstreetmap
It’s recommended to use CoMaps as that is the more-ethical successor to Organic Maps. (If you’re not aware, there was a problem with Organic Maps being very…non-transparent should I say, and people got fed up with it and forked the project with the intent of establishing a successor app but that was more dedicated to transparency in decision-making.
Oh goodness. I thought Organic Maps was itself supposed to be the more-ethical fork of maps.me or something… what are they even doing!
Haha, no worries. Glad I could help! ^_^
ok, i was not aware, thank you for the info
No problem! ^_^
And CoMaps is its fork.
I believe Murena Maps is working on implementing traffic data. I don’t love their turn by turn, but if they do get traffic data, I’ll use it.
This what your looking for
While StreetComplete or Every Door are useful for improving the data of OSM, OP ist asking for real time traffic data that is lacking at the moment in OSM based apps.
