• vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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    2 days ago

    They are also in a propaganda bubble or in what amounts to cult dynamics situation, which makes it hard to tell if they are just selfish or if this just happens to be the thing breaking through all of that. As more and more of this shit begins to effect more of them it’ll continue to break through all the nonsense, personally I don’t care why they break away from it all so long as they don’t relapse.

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      1 day ago

      Thank you, this is the attitude we need if we are to get rid of these clowns. They are encouraging us to reject defectors, as if we didn’t NEED them, which we do. Dividing and conquering, attacking the motivations of defectors posing as one of us online, using slander to obscure the issues, changing the subject to other issues we don’t agree on.

      Doomed to fail as we are, letting these paid troll farms and ai chatbots manipulate us like we are sheep.

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        22 hours ago

        Frankly I don’t think we necessarily need them with us, but we do need them to not be against us which I’ll settle for. Though I will say that if they do wish to join they need to prove it through action and not just words something as simple as shunning Republican politicians would be perfectly acceptable for example, but we can’t do the whole forgiveness for all Christian schtick, redemption through works based upon the context of ones actions.

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          21 hours ago

          I’m not even saying “with” us. We can cooperate on getting foreign influence and big money out of politics, getting bad politicians out, getting the corporations poisoning our groundwater under control, and the like, without agreeing on everything.

          As it stands we are divided and conquered on everything that’s important. We reject everyone on the right turning against the president because he betrayed his america first bullshit, and we are holier than thou, sanctimoniously I told you so-ing, while also rejecting them, their help, and letting Israel of all people account for their motives and character. Oh they called them anti salmon, can’t work with them. Yet they call you that too.

          Obviously there is a line, actual nazis is another story, most aren’t that. And we can still all cooperate in some ways.