USA is not with Ukraine, if you imply that. Trump is a russian asset and he did lift sanctions from russia just this week, alongside with ramping oil prices to the roof.
Unless you assume that russia is losing the attrition war (which is very unlikely with @lemmy.ml), your comment doesn’t make any sense.
I do not have the patience to have this stupid fight today. Ukraine is definitely a US proxy. Every president since George W Bush has been preparing for and escalating this war. It’s easy to get confused if you get distracted by the puppet show instead of watching the flow of dollars and bombs.
The war in Iran has sealed Ukraine’s fate. All the cards they had left to play have now been neutralized. It doesn’t matter how much propaganda you believe about the Ukraine war because it’s coming to a rapid conclusion
Whether or not you believe Russia’s economy was “just about to collapse” from sanctions, that is all up in smoke now
The Western armories were already running bare. Now, Ukraine will probably never receive another air defense interceptor. There won’t be any tomahawks to give even if they got some working ground launchers.
Ukraine’s European backers were already under tremendous economic strain from having the highest energy prices in the world. They are EXTREMELY exposed to this current energy shock.
The combined forces of the West were already losing before suffering this massive economic shock and gigantic military expenditure
Those three are all real factors, but I think you are exaggerating their size and importance.
The increase in oil price and softening of US sanctions will benefit the Russians, but it won’t make the war economy sustainable.
Western armories are running bare, but the same is true for the Russian ones. Both Ukraine and Russia are mostly using equipment as it’s being produced, and both Ukraine and the rest of Europe has been ramping up production capacity. I imagine you’re right that it’s worse for Ukraine to lose access to American air defense systems than it is for Russia to lose access to Iranian Shaheds.
The high energy prices are a problem in Europe, but compared to the situation in Russia (or Ukraine, for that matter) there’s nothing EXTREME about it.
The reason peace negotiations have been hopeless, is because the Ukrainians and the Russians can’t agree on where the war is headed. The Russians believe that if they just keep going, the Europeans will get bored and give up, while Ukrainians believe that they can keep going longer than the Russians because they are supported by a European economy that is not in an unsustainable “war mode”.
Who is right is up to us, and given that every single demand that the Russians have is against some pretty fundamental international law, it is in the interest of future European peace to ensure that the Ukrainians are right - and to make that as obvious as possible to the Russians so that peace negotiations become possible.
Why are you asking me a question? I just asked you one. Why would that instigate a world war? I’m asking you because I don’t know, not because I’m trying to argue with you.
Honestly, I wrote my comment with a questioning tone because I wasn’t sure if your original comment was being sarcastic or something. I guess people don’t understand that this Iran war is much more serious than Vietnam and Afghanistan put together, on top of the Ukraine war still ongoing.
If the strait isn’t open in the next few months, we could be seeing outbreaks of global starvation unlike anything seen in decades. That’s just the beginning and I wish I was exaggerating
The line has already been drawn. The only meaningful wildcards are the Turks and the Egyptians. The question you should be asking is how long until the gulf monarchies run out of staple grain? That hits much sooner than the global fertilizer crisis, we won’t feel the business end of that until harvest season in the northern hemisphere
I didn’t know it would be this bad. I’m going to kill myself to avoid this all. I have a pistol. I’m going to get really drunk this afternoon and put a bag over my head and then shoot myself. That way the blood doesn’t get all over for whoever has to clean it up.
It’d probably play out as Iran, China, Russia (eventually North Korea) v. US, Israel - then all the dick swinging and pissing contest and empty threats would push UK, France and Germany in but they’d just be hoping US would be doing all the heavy lifting because honestly they want to be the “heroes” anyway so why not. Then some bickering and hootin and hollering would happen between Russia, China and US and nuclear threats begin. It’d likely be a stalemate as it’d be considered MAD (mutually assured destruction) but who knows with these crazy assholes.
There’s a few of tracks leading to this actually. You got cracks in old alliances forming, a mostly failed attempt at revanchism from Russia and the USA getting it’s fingers stuck in a mouse trap, and many many more geopolitical factors that heighten tension between states. Then on another track, you have a worsening climate situation that is MUCH more serious than most western leaders are daring to admit, this ties back to the first as states will begin to take drastic efforts to control worsening conditions. Finally there has been a technological shift in a variety of ways, drones of course. Along that same vein, China has quietly been catching up to the US in terms of military tech, this isn’t as flashy but it is monumentous.
The global empire of capital is trapped in two losing wars of attrition and keeps on desperately escalating in both cases?
USA is not with Ukraine, if you imply that. Trump is a russian asset and he did lift sanctions from russia just this week, alongside with ramping oil prices to the roof.
Unless you assume that russia is losing the attrition war (which is very unlikely with @lemmy.ml), your comment doesn’t make any sense.
I do not have the patience to have this stupid fight today. Ukraine is definitely a US proxy. Every president since George W Bush has been preparing for and escalating this war. It’s easy to get confused if you get distracted by the puppet show instead of watching the flow of dollars and bombs.
The war in Iran has sealed Ukraine’s fate. All the cards they had left to play have now been neutralized. It doesn’t matter how much propaganda you believe about the Ukraine war because it’s coming to a rapid conclusion
Alright, I’ll bite. How does the war with Iran “seal Ukraine’s fate”?
3 factors:
The combined forces of the West were already losing before suffering this massive economic shock and gigantic military expenditure
Those three are all real factors, but I think you are exaggerating their size and importance.
The increase in oil price and softening of US sanctions will benefit the Russians, but it won’t make the war economy sustainable.
Western armories are running bare, but the same is true for the Russian ones. Both Ukraine and Russia are mostly using equipment as it’s being produced, and both Ukraine and the rest of Europe has been ramping up production capacity. I imagine you’re right that it’s worse for Ukraine to lose access to American air defense systems than it is for Russia to lose access to Iranian Shaheds.
The high energy prices are a problem in Europe, but compared to the situation in Russia (or Ukraine, for that matter) there’s nothing EXTREME about it.
The reason peace negotiations have been hopeless, is because the Ukrainians and the Russians can’t agree on where the war is headed. The Russians believe that if they just keep going, the Europeans will get bored and give up, while Ukrainians believe that they can keep going longer than the Russians because they are supported by a European economy that is not in an unsustainable “war mode”.
Who is right is up to us, and given that every single demand that the Russians have is against some pretty fundamental international law, it is in the interest of future European peace to ensure that the Ukrainians are right - and to make that as obvious as possible to the Russians so that peace negotiations become possible.
Why are you asking me a question? I just asked you one. Why would that instigate a world war? I’m asking you because I don’t know, not because I’m trying to argue with you.
Honestly, I wrote my comment with a questioning tone because I wasn’t sure if your original comment was being sarcastic or something. I guess people don’t understand that this Iran war is much more serious than Vietnam and Afghanistan put together, on top of the Ukraine war still ongoing.
If the strait isn’t open in the next few months, we could be seeing outbreaks of global starvation unlike anything seen in decades. That’s just the beginning and I wish I was exaggerating
Ok, so the strait doesn’t open. Who joins whose side?
The line has already been drawn. The only meaningful wildcards are the Turks and the Egyptians. The question you should be asking is how long until the gulf monarchies run out of staple grain? That hits much sooner than the global fertilizer crisis, we won’t feel the business end of that until harvest season in the northern hemisphere
And then do we all die?
Now you’re starting to get the gravity of the situation
I didn’t know it would be this bad. I’m going to kill myself to avoid this all. I have a pistol. I’m going to get really drunk this afternoon and put a bag over my head and then shoot myself. That way the blood doesn’t get all over for whoever has to clean it up.
I don’t feel like starving to death.
You strike me as a hasbara troll, not someone who’s actually depressed. I’m not good at talking people out of suicide anyways.
If you really are thinking of ending your life, talk about it with a trusted friend instead of some assholes on the internet like myself
It’d probably play out as Iran, China, Russia (eventually North Korea) v. US, Israel - then all the dick swinging and pissing contest and empty threats would push UK, France and Germany in but they’d just be hoping US would be doing all the heavy lifting because honestly they want to be the “heroes” anyway so why not. Then some bickering and hootin and hollering would happen between Russia, China and US and nuclear threats begin. It’d likely be a stalemate as it’d be considered MAD (mutually assured destruction) but who knows with these crazy assholes.
There’s a few of tracks leading to this actually. You got cracks in old alliances forming, a mostly failed attempt at revanchism from Russia and the USA getting it’s fingers stuck in a mouse trap, and many many more geopolitical factors that heighten tension between states. Then on another track, you have a worsening climate situation that is MUCH more serious than most western leaders are daring to admit, this ties back to the first as states will begin to take drastic efforts to control worsening conditions. Finally there has been a technological shift in a variety of ways, drones of course. Along that same vein, China has quietly been catching up to the US in terms of military tech, this isn’t as flashy but it is monumentous.