No, I am not at all calling China’s capabilities low in terms of creating a war machine.
I am talking in terms of how quality of life has been affected by either of them in places which both countries are calling as their own (see my points in the above comment).
While China tries to call Arunachal Pradesh and parts of J&K and its people as under itself, India is what sends the disaster relief resources, whereas China considers blocking natural resources to try and increase discontent of the people living in those areas.
China took longer than India to even admit the increasing air-quality problems in high pollution states,[1] which shows me that the govt. doesn’t like admitting facts. And personally, I am fine working with people who fail a lot, as long as they are consistent in communication and don’t try mixing lies into reports. Because trustability is an important part of any relationship, which also applies to governments.[2]
And I am not even going to point out the actual quality of buildings that you might have been a part of your metrics, simply because I expect enough people to have pointed those (and other similar conditions out to you).
While Indian buildings aren’t particularly great either, I am in a 10+ year old building which was not designed for earthquakes and has still not cracked (much less collapsed into a death trap) despite multiple of those.
Then comes the destruction of values over the years. China has had a rich culture of thousands of years and any such civilisation develops values and traditions that are conductive to longevity.
But the recent values shown by adults (not even children) from China has indicated an erosion of older values that were developed over the centuries in China. This is not something that happens easily without intervention from higher powers (and I am inclined to think it was the govt, unless you know of any other power that might have to gain from activities that cause this side-effect).
While there has been quite a lot of food adulteration problems in India, there are some lines that people would not cross. Specially the working class (who actually care about values unlike the business class) would never. But the normal people that seem to come out of China to set examples, don’t seem to be doing any good for its reputation.
although for both countries, the actual metrics being used to report them hardly align with actual types of pollutants and the mitigations in response have been “too little too late” for both ↩︎
The main reasons I give flak to US govt and organisations is due to their lack of consistency, which makes them very less trustworthy. ↩︎
Ah you’re a reactionary spouting tofu dreg and other nonsense. You should try look into things outside your nationalist bubble.
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“I am not at all calling China’s capabilities low in terms of creating a war machine.”
China’s comparative advantage over the past forty years has been poverty eradication, infrastructure build-out, electrification, and industrial capacity. Reducing that to militarism is either ignorance or bad faith. Where’s your high speed rail? Where are your clean streets? Why is your literacy so low? Why do you have so many shanty towns? Why do your tech expos have to pretend Chinese tech is Indian invented?
“India is what sends the disaster relief resources…”
India administers those territories. Of course it sends relief? Are you an idiot?
“China considers blocking natural resources…”
There is no evidence that China has cut off Brahmaputra flow to manufacture discontent. The projects are run-of-river. Seasonal fluctuations are monsoon-driven. You are asserting intent without evidence. That is speculation.
“China took longer to admit air-quality problems…”
China’s PM2.5 levels have declined substantially since 2013 after aggressive regulatory intervention. India today has multiple cities ranking among the most polluted globally by annual average concentration. If the metric is environmental turnaround after crisis recognition, China’s trend line is steeper. You are ignoring trajectory and focusing on narrative.
“Actual quality of buildings…”
“Tofu dreg” is a meme, not a dataset. China has built the largest high-speed rail network on earth, thousands of kilometers of expressways, and entire metropolitan regions within two decades. Failures exist, as in India, collapsed bridges, unsafe housing, infrastructure accidents. Anecdotes do not overturn macro-level engineering capacity.
“Destruction of values… erosion of older values… normal people coming out of China…”
I bet you love those caste values as you beat those dalits to keep them in line.
No, I am not at all calling China’s capabilities low in terms of creating a war machine.
I am talking in terms of how quality of life has been affected by either of them in places which both countries are calling as their own (see my points in the above comment). While China tries to call Arunachal Pradesh and parts of J&K and its people as under itself, India is what sends the disaster relief resources, whereas China considers blocking natural resources to try and increase discontent of the people living in those areas.
China took longer than India to even admit the increasing air-quality problems in high pollution states,[1] which shows me that the govt. doesn’t like admitting facts. And personally, I am fine working with people who fail a lot, as long as they are consistent in communication and don’t try mixing lies into reports. Because trustability is an important part of any relationship, which also applies to governments.[2]
And I am not even going to point out the actual quality of buildings that you might have been a part of your metrics, simply because I expect enough people to have pointed those (and other similar conditions out to you).
While Indian buildings aren’t particularly great either, I am in a 10+ year old building which was not designed for earthquakes and has still not cracked (much less collapsed into a death trap) despite multiple of those.
Then comes the destruction of values over the years. China has had a rich culture of thousands of years and any such civilisation develops values and traditions that are conductive to longevity.
But the recent values shown by adults (not even children) from China has indicated an erosion of older values that were developed over the centuries in China. This is not something that happens easily without intervention from higher powers (and I am inclined to think it was the govt, unless you know of any other power that might have to gain from activities that cause this side-effect).
While there has been quite a lot of food adulteration problems in India, there are some lines that people would not cross. Specially the working class (who actually care about values unlike the business class) would never. But the normal people that seem to come out of China to set examples, don’t seem to be doing any good for its reputation.
although for both countries, the actual metrics being used to report them hardly align with actual types of pollutants and the mitigations in response have been “too little too late” for both ↩︎
The main reasons I give flak to US govt and organisations is due to their lack of consistency, which makes them very less trustworthy. ↩︎
Ah you’re a reactionary spouting tofu dreg and other nonsense. You should try look into things outside your nationalist bubble.
Edit:
China’s comparative advantage over the past forty years has been poverty eradication, infrastructure build-out, electrification, and industrial capacity. Reducing that to militarism is either ignorance or bad faith. Where’s your high speed rail? Where are your clean streets? Why is your literacy so low? Why do you have so many shanty towns? Why do your tech expos have to pretend Chinese tech is Indian invented?
India administers those territories. Of course it sends relief? Are you an idiot?
There is no evidence that China has cut off Brahmaputra flow to manufacture discontent. The projects are run-of-river. Seasonal fluctuations are monsoon-driven. You are asserting intent without evidence. That is speculation.
China’s PM2.5 levels have declined substantially since 2013 after aggressive regulatory intervention. India today has multiple cities ranking among the most polluted globally by annual average concentration. If the metric is environmental turnaround after crisis recognition, China’s trend line is steeper. You are ignoring trajectory and focusing on narrative.
“Tofu dreg” is a meme, not a dataset. China has built the largest high-speed rail network on earth, thousands of kilometers of expressways, and entire metropolitan regions within two decades. Failures exist, as in India, collapsed bridges, unsafe housing, infrastructure accidents. Anecdotes do not overturn macro-level engineering capacity.
I bet you love those caste values as you beat those dalits to keep them in line.