Not guilty seems very unlikely based on the publicly available evidence. I could see a hung jury happening though, as there are a minority of people who strongly want him to go free.
Right, and I think we are seeing increasing cases of jury nullification, especially for civil disobedience against ICE. However, the reality is that Lemmy is a bubble. Luigi and his alleged murder are nowhere near as popular among the greater population as he is here. So that’s why I think the chance of a hung jury is higher than nullification. Hung jury can happen if there is just one or a few people who refuse to convict. But jury nullification requires unanimity. There’s bound to be at least a few law & order boomer types on the jury. But only time will tell.
The most loud evidence since the arrest was the backpack with the gun and the manifesto. Except it was known pretty soon that the cops botched the ‘chain of custody’ for the backpack, as some officer had the backpack in her sole possession for an hour before delivering it to the station.
I keep being baffled as to why I don’t see any news about this evidence being thrown away. Maybe it was dismissed from the trial right away, idk.
The thing is, I haven’t heard that the backpack was thrown out of the evidence, which is what confuses me. But I’m only following the case via Lemmy and Reddit.
The courts usually give an obscene amount of deference to the police. In a high profile case like this it’s possible they’ll be slightly more by the book… but usually they wrote the book to allow police to “reasonably” violate our constitutional rights, so that only goes so far.
But yeah unless they ruled it inadmissible, the lapse in custody probably won’t matter. The average juror is hopelessly naive and thinks cops are just pure-hearted goody two-shoes who would never do anything wrong.
if what slurpy says is true, it should be. doesn’t mean it will, the supreme court has ruled the police get a certain amount of whoopsies when it comes to your constitutional rights and you get zero
Yeah that’s my concern. The courts and the police are besties and they usually have each other’s backs unless something happens that’s so blatantly criminal that they can’t find a way to excuse it. Imperfect custody of evidence doesn’t sound that way to me, but I’m no expert.
The good news for Luigi is his case has a lot of public scrutiny, which can force the courts to behave a bit better in some cases.
Not guilty seems very unlikely based on the publicly available evidence. I could see a hung jury happening though, as there are a minority of people who strongly want him to go free.
That’s the idea of jury nullification: guilty, but we don’t care.
Right, and I think we are seeing increasing cases of jury nullification, especially for civil disobedience against ICE. However, the reality is that Lemmy is a bubble. Luigi and his alleged murder are nowhere near as popular among the greater population as he is here. So that’s why I think the chance of a hung jury is higher than nullification. Hung jury can happen if there is just one or a few people who refuse to convict. But jury nullification requires unanimity. There’s bound to be at least a few law & order boomer types on the jury. But only time will tell.
Cops seem to be OJing it, getting plenty of publicly available evidence tossed because they fucked up processing it
Ah well I haven’t followed all those details. Prosecutorial incompetence is always a possibility.
The most loud evidence since the arrest was the backpack with the gun and the manifesto. Except it was known pretty soon that the cops botched the ‘chain of custody’ for the backpack, as some officer had the backpack in her sole possession for an hour before delivering it to the station.
I keep being baffled as to why I don’t see any news about this evidence being thrown away. Maybe it was dismissed from the trial right away, idk.
You’re saying the backpack was ruled inadmissible? If so that is certainly a big deal, maybe bigger than possible jury nullification.
However again, I have not been following all the twists and turns so I don’t know what other evidence may have been uncovered since the arrest.
The thing is, I haven’t heard that the backpack was thrown out of the evidence, which is what confuses me. But I’m only following the case via Lemmy and Reddit.
The courts usually give an obscene amount of deference to the police. In a high profile case like this it’s possible they’ll be slightly more by the book… but usually they wrote the book to allow police to “reasonably” violate our constitutional rights, so that only goes so far.
But yeah unless they ruled it inadmissible, the lapse in custody probably won’t matter. The average juror is hopelessly naive and thinks cops are just pure-hearted goody two-shoes who would never do anything wrong.
if what slurpy says is true, it should be. doesn’t mean it will, the supreme court has ruled the police get a certain amount of whoopsies when it comes to your constitutional rights and you get zero
Yeah that’s my concern. The courts and the police are besties and they usually have each other’s backs unless something happens that’s so blatantly criminal that they can’t find a way to excuse it. Imperfect custody of evidence doesn’t sound that way to me, but I’m no expert.
The good news for Luigi is his case has a lot of public scrutiny, which can force the courts to behave a bit better in some cases.