Progressives acknowledging the fact of genocide is a good first step, and it’s useful that Ocasio-Cortez and others have done so — “I think [unconditional aid to Israel] enabled a genocide in Gaza,” she said in Munich — but it is not in and of itself sufficient. Before anyone in the party can move on to selling a post-Biden vision of human-rights-first foreign policy, they must address what accountability for the war criminals in the Biden administration — those who aided, armed, and funded genocide — should look like.

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    Yes, in other words, Democratic voting fascists.

    Democrats who simultaneously want their perspectives to be the only perspectives catered to in elections, and yet also argue they’ll vote for anyone or anything the party apparatus serves up to them. They support kids in cages. They want better training and body cams for ICE. They have no real issue with Trumps foreign or domestic policies, and are mostly just annoyed that Trump isn’t going through the appropriate permission structures to enact them.

    They are why we lost 2024. And its out there now. Everyone whose perspective worth two wiffs of stinky piss gets it.

    All I’m doing here is presenting the reality of voter behavior. You want voters to behave differently than they do. But thats not how voters work. You can want them to be smarter, to vote more however you would like them to, but in reality, the world we actually to make decisions around, voters don’t do that. And we knew, then, in 2023, that just telling voters that they had to vote for a candidate whose policies they didn’t support, we knew then it would lose the election.

    Blue MAGA is the contingent that maintained the party in un-electable policy positions. In every election, no matter how much you might like to present it to the otherwise, there are three options: your candidate, the opposition, and the couch. And guess what? They’re already at home on the couch. Strategic voting as a game-theoretical principal falls apart when it meets the reality of voter behavior.

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      You have a distorted view of the average Democrat. Can I ask where you get your news?

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        You have a distorted view of the average Democrat.

        Who has the distorted view of the average Democrat? The one who is advocating for a strategy that (in both foresight and hindsight) would have won the election, or the the one advocating for the strategy that objectively lost the election?

        I would argue that the campaign had a distorted view the average Democratic voter. They lost 7.7% of their own voters from 2020 into 2024.

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          They support kids in cages. They want better training and body cams for ICE. They have no real issue with Trumps foreign or domestic policies, and are mostly just annoyed that Trump isn’t going through the appropriate permission structures to enact them.

          Where did you learn this?

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            I learned it by not living in an ahistorical vacuum. If you don’t know the context of those points, you are simply illiterate with regards to recent history.

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              I won’t speculate on your motivations like you do with Democrats. I’ll just say that those statements are clearly not true, and if you were secretly supporting the MAGA movement, you couldn’t be doing it any better than you are now.

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                You are completely asinine. Its established at this point that the only thing Harris could have done to win the election was to shift her stance on Gaza. You want to provide an excuse to Harris that actually the voters just needed to suck it up and vote for the pro-genocide candidate. the one person who could have made a different choice such that we get a different outcome.

                You being media illiterate doesn’t change that. You being electorally illiterate doesn’t change that. If you provided this same excuse for either the Biden or Harris campaign from 2023-2024: you contributed to Trumps victory.