The amount of people saying it’s because other world leaders and businessmen are implicit are idiots.
Not because that can’t be the case. But because it has nothing to do with how this works.
There is no legal basis anywhere for such a demand. Even if you can prove that one of the victims is from your country. That doesn’t give you the right to access their investigation. It doesn’t give you the right to conduct an investigation inside a forgein country.
You can make a request. They might say yes, they might say no. But that’s all you can do. Demands are different from requests. Demands have an implicit “or else” attached. It’s not something you throw around lightly.
one: because it makes you look weak, and two: you need to be able to back it up if they refuse. EU is not going to start another round of trade-war with the US over their child trafficking ring. It’s not our problem. It’s theirs.
You don’t publicly demand access to classified files of another sovereign nation state. Not unless you’re Trump anyway.
Because their politicians are being blackmailed by Israel too
And or are supplicants of the US. Beholden to the US for security, for their economy. The US undergirds all of their currencies, controls world trade, etc. The sanctions regime is secretive and capricious, and they are not afraid to abuse it. Not even before this administration, and obviously these new guys are unbound by any past restraints. Not just the president, the party, this is the new thing it doesn’t go back to normal with our new supreme leader, presuming the democrats fail to take it back, a safe presumption at this point seeing as the same people are in charge of the party.
So the Jews are at the top of this network and controlling the world in secret? I think I have heard this somewhere before…
I said Israel. Israel is a country not a religion. This country that is committing genocide and being booed at the Olympics is bribing and blackmailing politicians globally and as a consequence of this country’s own actions people are starting to despise this country.
Israel has a very special connection to the Jewish Religion, which makes it different to most other county religion (if we exclude the islamistic ethno states). Israel committing genocide in Gaza is whataboutism here though.
Statements like “this was Israel all along” and “mossad did this” yield many internet points these days because it feeds peoples world views. Without any explanation why this would indeed be true and any proof, it still feeds conspiracy theories.
Conspiracy theories are more than often deeply connected to Antisemitism, and this is the case here as well. I know using the forbidden A-word will completely derail this discussion here by enraging the tankie triad and it’s saympathisants. But I don’t mind because I find it dangerous to leave context less comments like yours alone.
Israel will never be able to separate itself from this genocide. My personal belief is that a separation between church and state prevents these extremist ideologies from becoming dominant. I also would like to mention the worldwide protests against Israel that include Jewish anti-Zionists including in Israel.
This is my view of Zionism.
Zionism is a white supremisist ideology that is being used by the settler colonialist state of Israel to justify the mass slaughter of the “genetically” impure. Like other supremisist ideologies Zionism references pseudoscience to claim superiority over others to justify the mass slaughter of people who do not meet their genetic or purity requirements to justify expansion and their own imperial ambitions. Zionism is no more a religion than the settler colonialist ideology that justified the genocide of the Native Americans or the fantastical and pseudoscientific ideology of the Nazis.
Yeah they have to play the victim to justify their fascism. Don’t insult our intelligence pretending we don’t know the truth.
A govt isn’t it’s ppl
They typed Israel, you read Jews. I think you’re the one with the problem there.
Have you not also heard that republican accusations are actually confessions?
I don’t think anyone is going to like this answer but… it’s just not how global politics works.
Why would other governments demand copies ?
Australia is a close ally of the US. We don’t really have any basis to make such a demand. Additionally, they’re not going to give them to us because obviously they want to protect pedo-in-chief.
So the answer is, if we tried the answer would be a hard “no” and the request would damage our relationship.
They might also argue it’s outside of their jurisdiction.
Yeah thats kinda what I meant about not having any basis for the request.
Its a criminal case and there’s no indication that any of it occurred on Australian soil so its nothing to do with us.
If an Australian official was implicated we could stand them down. If an Australian was charged overseas we could provide consular support. Thats it though really
Well that, but we’re getting them for free anyway
The US already has intelligence sharing programs with many of their Allies (eg the five eyes alliance, which includes Canada, Australia, the UK and NZ). So other nations very well may have copies
That’s true, and what else is true although not widely known is the 5 eyes alliance is in large degree an end run around laws we have preventing our intelligence agencies from spying on their own citizens. We have our allies do it, then share the information back with us. Even if it’s the US initiating the investigation/operation, doing all the work itself. They put an ally on the letterhead and forward the information there and back and call it intelligence sharing.
For over 20 years now…
The first investigation was early 2005
But this was an international ring, other countries had other sources as well, and have for just as long.
Look at Jimmy Saville in the UK, everyone knew but no one said anything till he died, and then some random henchmen were all that went down.
Epstein and Saville weren’t the only ones, and others are almost certainly still operating as open secrets right now.
That’s the real reason every government is slow walking this. People implicated in the Epstein files, would snitch on people from other rings. Those people would snitch on the rest of their ring. And then another start it again.
It’s basically how the aliens from Solar Opposites works, and it results the same: exponential growth.
If people on the Epstein list are prosecuted then virtually every trafficking ring and every other shady thing billionaires get up to will also likely come out. Everyone of them would sell the rest out to save themselves.
And that’s why we need to do it before they die, and they can still be pressured to snitch.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think the ‘five eyes’ agreement applies. The “Epstein files” aren’t signals intelligence and weren’t gathered by an intelligence agency. They were seized as part of a legal investigation.
It would apply to cia intelligence. But this epstein thing is so high up in the chain, with such a critical mass of baby rapers in positions of power, that there would’ve been pressure to hide the information, to not record it as such in the first place perhaps. And or restrict the information from those allies.
You might be right. I really don’t know what would be included under their intelligence sharing agreements, I just know that an agreement exists
Do you think any of them would trust what this Administration would give them?
because its likely their ceos and high position politicians are implicated.
Assuming they don’t already have copies through intelligence sharing agreements and have not already demanded access in secret, how exactly would most countries pressure the US, and specifically this US goverment?
Country borders exist to contain the proletariat and allow avenues of escape for the bourgeoisie.
A government that makes demands of this regime paints a target on their backs.
The US Government is no longer a trustworthy partner.
Because they want it covered up as much as the US government does.
they actually are reporting on it much more, and plenty have opened up their own investigations into their people implicated by what’s been released so far
it’s just that the US’s mainstream news is so captured by special/rich interests that nothing breaks through the american bubble unless the powers that be want it to.
It’s basically a USA thing. People in Europe are spectators viewing how things are developing, they see some collateral damage in Europe, but are expecting a big eruption in the USA… which weirdly enough isn’t happening.
We’re kinda sorta really hoping for a big eruption. There is a big push everywhere to follow in Americas footsteps and nobody in their right mind wants that. The more fascist shit America gets away with, the more fascist shit we find out works and is tolerated.
If our leaders learn the playbook works, and our populations learn that even the most heavily armed civilians on the planet cant stop it, we might be cooked.
Because the entire world is owned by the same individuals? Or do you really think important people in the files will get arrested or something?
Unwritten rule that rules don’t apply for the top; remember they are better than us ordinary people…
Threat of injury/ abduction
