• Cyrus Draegur@lemmy.zip
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    2 hours ago

    … huh.

    man.

    hate to state what some might consider obvious, but this is actually a novel thought for a critter like me–something that has been raised entirely immersed in bullshit propaganda for its entire life…

    but uh, wow, a lot of the propaganda I’ve had shoveled down my gullet all along has just been straight up false, hasn’t it.

    China was never the ‘bad guy’…

    They are literally upstaging the united states in every way. Quite possibly they have been for a long time and I’m only just now capable of seeing it since the illusion of civil rights and humane decency has gone up in smoke here in the US what with the government’s quiet repressive acts now becoming VERY VERY LOUD. >.<

    If China even is sending squads of state sponsored domestic terrorist masked goons to murder their own civilians like the US federal government is, people either aren’t making a lot of noise about it or their media control apparatus has kept a lid on it better than the US has.

    I would’ve been sarcastic about that in the past but now I am honestly and truthfully of an open mind here for possibly the first time in my life. I had believed my mind was open in the past but there are some presuppositions that have just … suddenly stopped holding water.

    If China really is better than the United States in every metric, I sure hope more americans will realize it sooner rather than later. I’m still gathering information, though.

    Damn. I remember a time when I actually believed that ‘social credit system’ horseshit. Now I know that there was only ever ONE municipality that tried to do with it what the anti-china propaganda implied and they were punished for it by the national government because it was a stupid thing to do, and that otherwise ‘social credit’ was only ever proposed as an accountability system for public officials, not for personal individuals just living their every day lives.

    Kinda expecting people will come out of the woodwork on here to dunk on me for my ignorance, though, one way or another ._.

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      1 hour ago

      So, because the US is regrettably inching toward authoritarianism, the fully authoritarian state was the better one all along?

      Is it because of innumeracy that people seem to have such a hard time grasping the magnitude of evil?

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      56 minutes ago

      Did you read the article? It’s about money and risk because of the war. It isn’t some altruistic thing because they care about people’s lives.

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        44 minutes ago

        I mean it’s not like they WOULD say “We are morally opposed to israel” because actually saying that out loud in an international environment would’ve created a shit ton of drama. Meanwhile, saying “it’s because of your war” is kinda passive aggressively rubbing it in that attacking palestine was a bad move.

        hm.

        In light of your comment, though, I’m willing to accept that I was probably just projecting >.> it’s WAAAAAY more likely I was just indulging wishful thinking and not-so-subconsciously presuming the morality of others based on their actions rather than their words and that’s not actually smart of me like, at all. So… thank you for the second opinion. You have in fact helped me perceive more much-needed nuance here.

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      1 hour ago

      Nah they’re all the “bad guy” in different ways. I guarantee this is not some altruistic act. There is a political and economic reason.

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      1 hour ago

      You remember tank man? Can you give me any reason to think they wouldn’t do the same today?

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        1 hour ago

        one data point: there was big protests near the end of COVID-19, they chose to lift the lockdown instead of doing a 1989. i don’t know how many were arrested or what happened to them, though.