These mushrooms produce pretty consistent results. From what I’ve heard, most people that eat them report seeing tiny men. Wayyy more consistent and specific of a hallucination then eating a standard cubensis mushroom.
I’m not claiming there’s anything more than a hallucination going on here, but it is fascinating how specific and consistent the results are. Makes you wonder about the future of hallucinogens, perhaps one day we can synthesise specific trips, kind of like a total recall situation where you could choose what you want to experience
Sounds way more consistent than any halucinogen with a common theme that people see. Like DMT makes people see the ‘machine elves’ but afaik it’s well less than 50% of people / experiences who see them, and they take wildly different forms for different people. I also think a lot of that is psychosomatic- people going into an experience expecting to see something specific will sometimes synthesize that experience for themselves.
The effects of deleriants tend to be more reliable, from my understanding, like dramamine making people see people who aren’t there / are dead. Which was a really uncanny experience when i tried it; youre not hallucinating the experience, but rather the memory of it having just happened, almost like waking up from a dream over and over. Like id looks up at the empty chair in my room and think ‘wasnt my brother just there talking about walking in the woods? Oh wait, he couldnt have been, he passed away 3 years ago’ i also kept hallucinating a cigarette, like id think I had just had ine between my fingers, had just taken a drag, and go to take another, then think I must have dropped it, only to realize there was no smoke in the room, I was just falsely remembering.
I suspect these mushrooms have a mild deleriant compound in them, although even then were talking very consistent results.
People on drugs don’t usually make the most reliable observers. But I suppose if you can insulate the trippers from one another their answers wouldn’t influence each other. Then you could interview them about the same scene and see if you get different answers. Again, these wouldn’t be reliable observers and idk how eloquent their answers would be under the influence.
All of this to say I’d put my money on drugs causing hallucinations, as we have decades of research which confirm this.
There’s always the possibility that our brains filter out aspects of reality for the sake of our sanity, or for some other unknown reason, and that these drugs lift the filter, so to speak, which is also proven to be true to a degree, like how shrooms sort of break down established beliefs/definitions and understanding, and I suspect that phenomenon is probably being misconstrued or inaccurately extrapolated on to assume the filter is about seeing something extrinsic about reality and not just revealing the internal processes of our minds.
Very specific psychiatric symptoms can occur even when there’s nothing actually there. There are quite a lot of special-purpose structures in the brain, and if they’re triggered by something like a tumor, you can hear things that aren’t there, see things, smell things, become impulsive, experience intense emotions: all from direct physiological causes. So while it’s comforting to believe that those little people represent some form of reality that is only revealed to these mushroom-eaters, there is plenty of precedent that says that it’s not necessarily so, and reproducibility of the perceived phenomena doesn’t necessarily imply that those perceptions correspond to any objective reality.
i think there’s an easy way to check. ask two people having this hallucination if what they are seeing is consistent with each other.
These mushrooms produce pretty consistent results. From what I’ve heard, most people that eat them report seeing tiny men. Wayyy more consistent and specific of a hallucination then eating a standard cubensis mushroom.
I’m not claiming there’s anything more than a hallucination going on here, but it is fascinating how specific and consistent the results are. Makes you wonder about the future of hallucinogens, perhaps one day we can synthesise specific trips, kind of like a total recall situation where you could choose what you want to experience
Sounds way more consistent than any halucinogen with a common theme that people see. Like DMT makes people see the ‘machine elves’ but afaik it’s well less than 50% of people / experiences who see them, and they take wildly different forms for different people. I also think a lot of that is psychosomatic- people going into an experience expecting to see something specific will sometimes synthesize that experience for themselves.
The effects of deleriants tend to be more reliable, from my understanding, like dramamine making people see people who aren’t there / are dead. Which was a really uncanny experience when i tried it; youre not hallucinating the experience, but rather the memory of it having just happened, almost like waking up from a dream over and over. Like id looks up at the empty chair in my room and think ‘wasnt my brother just there talking about walking in the woods? Oh wait, he couldnt have been, he passed away 3 years ago’ i also kept hallucinating a cigarette, like id think I had just had ine between my fingers, had just taken a drag, and go to take another, then think I must have dropped it, only to realize there was no smoke in the room, I was just falsely remembering.
I suspect these mushrooms have a mild deleriant compound in them, although even then were talking very consistent results.
Lots of trip reports on delerients involve talking to devils and demons and the like.
Okay, but again, the question remains: how much of that is power of suggestion and priming/expectation?
You have any further reading on this?
https://erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt.shtml
People on drugs don’t usually make the most reliable observers. But I suppose if you can insulate the trippers from one another their answers wouldn’t influence each other. Then you could interview them about the same scene and see if you get different answers. Again, these wouldn’t be reliable observers and idk how eloquent their answers would be under the influence.
All of this to say I’d put my money on drugs causing hallucinations, as we have decades of research which confirm this.
There’s always the possibility that our brains filter out aspects of reality for the sake of our sanity, or for some other unknown reason, and that these drugs lift the filter, so to speak, which is also proven to be true to a degree, like how shrooms sort of break down established beliefs/definitions and understanding, and I suspect that phenomenon is probably being misconstrued or inaccurately extrapolated on to assume the filter is about seeing something extrinsic about reality and not just revealing the internal processes of our minds.
Very specific psychiatric symptoms can occur even when there’s nothing actually there. There are quite a lot of special-purpose structures in the brain, and if they’re triggered by something like a tumor, you can hear things that aren’t there, see things, smell things, become impulsive, experience intense emotions: all from direct physiological causes. So while it’s comforting to believe that those little people represent some form of reality that is only revealed to these mushroom-eaters, there is plenty of precedent that says that it’s not necessarily so, and reproducibility of the perceived phenomena doesn’t necessarily imply that those perceptions correspond to any objective reality.