Like that thing in 1984. And that episode of Star Trek TNG

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    Could you explain specifically what thing in 1984, and could you also identify the episode of STTNG so I could look it up and perhaps read a synopsis?

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      He sees 2 lights but the authority tells him there are 3 lights.

      Through torture the authority convinces him to trust the voice of authority over his own observations.

      It’s a deep kind of convincing. It is heartfelt and he really does see what he’s told to see. A kind of religious conversion. (“The truth of the state is the only truth, do not trust the evidence of your senses”)

      Or something like that.

      But ya, they copied it for TNG. Picard got kidnapped and tortured. I forget the actual episode number.

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        I think you’re suggesting that this is somehow generally true in human behavior, but the examples you give are fictional and a result of torture.

        Can you give a real-life example that doesn’t involve someone being mentally damaged from torture?

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          The red scare. The persecution of jews in nazi germany. The persecution of the first dude who suggested that if doctors washed their hands then less people would die of infection. Just say no to drugs. Cigarettes are good for you. And yes, our latest adventures with vaccines.

          A good propaganda campaign and our natural urge to conform substitutes for torture in this case.