Crimea and Donbas sounds like a good compromise, but if accepted all these people have basically died for nothing. History aside, Crimea is ethnically Russian and wants to be Russian. Donbas is much the same but wants to be independent instead of Russian, which is basically what started the war with pre-government Azov massacring civilians in Donbas that didn’t want to be Ukrainian anymore.
Crimea is ethnically Russian and wants to be Russian. Donbas is much the same
With this logic, the whole Europe would be at war right now.
Is this based on elections like on Crimea that happened during war and were only recognized by North Korea, Serbia, Iran and like 2 other countries? BTW: If you invade a country and kill the people there and other have to run away or hide, they can’t vote anymore. eLeCtIoN
Fuck you. All the Russian speaking Ukrainians and even the Russians themselves are suffering because of Putin’s clearly imperialist war that are based on lies and here you are spitting those lies. If you do not want to lie, then write that Ukraine is in a dire position. That is true. The rest is cheap fucking lies. Fuck you.
So funny hearing russian-loving scum talking about Azov nazis as if your entire political class aren’t fucking nazis too. Go eat shit and die on the front line, cyka
And so what? We freeze it and “end” it? We had done that with Crimea and we all know that for Putler, this is a pause to recover and attack again later.
The problem is not Ukraine. The problem is that Putler thinks that Russia is too 🤏 and needs more area, although that’s not the actual problem of the people in Russia.
Bro you’re literally suggesting appeasing an invading aggressor who has shown that no matter the international agreements, no matter how many times they’ll promise “okay we stop now”, they’ll continue their warmongering.
There’s no appeasing people like that. When they come up with such a ridiculous demand, you don’t consider part of it, you send back an equally ridiculous demand of your own. You don’t let them control the game.
Also, that whole “Crimea is actually russian” bullshit talking point is literally Russian propaganda. It’s only “sort of true” today due to forced relocation of local Ukrainians to who knows where and allowing Russian nationals to move in after the annexation. Russian population was actually declining from the post-WW2 forced relocations.
Also an area having a large ethnic group - even a majority - gives no right to the home country of the ethnic group to annex the area. If that was a right, e.g. Hungary would’ve had a legitimate claim to most of Transylvania, Slovakia, half of Slovenia, the border regions with Croatia, Serbia, Romania, and even parts of Ukraine. Hell, imagine how easy it would be for a county to use the EU open borders to mass emigrate to another country, establish ethnic/national majority in a region just in time for census then claim that territory…
I said history aside. We can’t change that ethnic Russians were put in Crimea around 100 years ago. Do you want to displace the generations that have been living there ever since to “right the wrong”? Because of their ethnicity? It’s essentially the same thing as Israel being created in Palestine except Crimea doesn’t expand every year.
It’s about ending bloodshed in a place that has basically never seen peace. I feel like the best way to achieve that is to let the people that live there decide. Last I checked they overwhelmingly chose Russia. If those elections are disputed for whatever reason, run them again if it ends the conflict but the west doesn’t get to decide it disagrees with the election if the results are not in their interests.
Crimea and Donbas sounds like a good compromise, but if accepted all these people have basically died for nothing. History aside, Crimea is ethnically Russian and wants to be Russian. Donbas is much the same but wants to be independent instead of Russian, which is basically what started the war with pre-government Azov massacring civilians in Donbas that didn’t want to be Ukrainian anymore.
With this logic, the whole Europe would be at war right now.
Is this based on elections like on Crimea that happened during war and were only recognized by North Korea, Serbia, Iran and like 2 other countries? BTW: If you invade a country and kill the people there and other have to run away or hide, they can’t vote anymore. eLeCtIoN
Fuck you. All the Russian speaking Ukrainians and even the Russians themselves are suffering because of Putin’s clearly imperialist war that are based on lies and here you are spitting those lies. If you do not want to lie, then write that Ukraine is in a dire position. That is true. The rest is cheap fucking lies. Fuck you.
It’s almost impressive how you managed to get all the bs russian talking points into such a short post. Almost.
So funny hearing russian-loving scum talking about Azov nazis as if your entire political class aren’t fucking nazis too. Go eat shit and die on the front line, cyka
My brother in christ what part of that is Russian loving? The conflict needs to end and Ukraine isn’t in a favourable position
Been hearing that take for 4 years now. At this point, you’re just trying to wish it into existence every time you say it.
Which part of this is favourable for Ukraine
And so what? We freeze it and “end” it? We had done that with Crimea and we all know that for Putler, this is a pause to recover and attack again later.
The problem is not Ukraine. The problem is that Putler thinks that Russia is too 🤏 and needs more area, although that’s not the actual problem of the people in Russia.
Which part of this is favorable for the Soviet Union?
You sound like fucking Trump dick head
Love the adhominem attacks
fuck off russian bot
I’ve noticed an uptick in bot activity lately
Bot? Lmao
That’s an easy ban.
dontcha love it when an obvious propaganda trollbot exposes itself in the first move?
You are so deluded if that’s what you make of my account
Bro you’re literally suggesting appeasing an invading aggressor who has shown that no matter the international agreements, no matter how many times they’ll promise “okay we stop now”, they’ll continue their warmongering.
There’s no appeasing people like that. When they come up with such a ridiculous demand, you don’t consider part of it, you send back an equally ridiculous demand of your own. You don’t let them control the game.
Also, that whole “Crimea is actually russian” bullshit talking point is literally Russian propaganda. It’s only “sort of true” today due to forced relocation of local Ukrainians to who knows where and allowing Russian nationals to move in after the annexation. Russian population was actually declining from the post-WW2 forced relocations.
Also an area having a large ethnic group - even a majority - gives no right to the home country of the ethnic group to annex the area. If that was a right, e.g. Hungary would’ve had a legitimate claim to most of Transylvania, Slovakia, half of Slovenia, the border regions with Croatia, Serbia, Romania, and even parts of Ukraine. Hell, imagine how easy it would be for a county to use the EU open borders to mass emigrate to another country, establish ethnic/national majority in a region just in time for census then claim that territory…
I said history aside. We can’t change that ethnic Russians were put in Crimea around 100 years ago. Do you want to displace the generations that have been living there ever since to “right the wrong”? Because of their ethnicity? It’s essentially the same thing as Israel being created in Palestine except Crimea doesn’t expand every year.
It’s about ending bloodshed in a place that has basically never seen peace. I feel like the best way to achieve that is to let the people that live there decide. Last I checked they overwhelmingly chose Russia. If those elections are disputed for whatever reason, run them again if it ends the conflict but the west doesn’t get to decide it disagrees with the election if the results are not in their interests.
I’m genuinely impressed at how far up your own ass you can get your head. Go suck Putin’s dick
Get fucked.