Resigning is a way to call attention to the problem while you still have most of your credibility. There would be a smear campaign against you, but the alternative situation might be after getting fired for cause, where it would be easier to believe that you are just making excuses to save face. Especially if you are already demoralized and don’t have the energy to make a stand, you may start feeding the idea that you are just unfit for the job and lose support internally.
It also adds a bit of chaos into the organization that needs to replace you and may not have somebody prepared to step into a position haunted by this politicized issue and rocky transition. It does happen because organizations are made of limited and discrete people, but it is easy to be afraid of the infinite number of sycophants that must be ready to take their place.
It might be a tactic that is useful in limited situations, but I agree in general that we want rusty cogs slowing down the fascist machine.
Resigning is a way to call attention to the problem
Oh wow!
I didn’t realize this was for awareness. Someone go get Susan G Kommen out of whatever mansion she’s hiding in and tell her we need to raise fucking awareness that trump is violating the constitution.
Obviously nothing is more important than awareness!
You kid but awareness is a first order problem in the fight itself, and I hate to break it to you, but a significant portion of the population is not meaningfully aware of how dire it is.
Something like this might be the thing that gets through to them. There is also probably a large portion of the population who suspects how bad this is but doesn’t trust the media and is specifically looking to see how the military leaders react to this stuff.
If there are any perceived adults in the room at this point, it is probably the military.
Oh yeah, I’m absolutely positive the people who are ignorant of what’s happening will see this Huff Post article and their minds will change…
This one news article about a quitter raises waaaaaya more awareness than months/years of court cases where officers are being let go for not following specific orders they felt were illegal
If there are any perceived adults in the room at this point, it is probably the military
Not as much as you’d think
They’ll be even less, if the few adults left fucking resign and leave
Let’s say a dozen articles over a week if say that’s generous though.
Compare that to years/months of trump having to fire 100s maybe even thousands of officers while they say loudly and repeatedly exactly what the illegal.orders were in a courtroom…
Like cmon man.
Even if you legitimately think awareness is most important, making trump fire them is more awareness.
And that’s not even getting into how much of a hassle firing an officer is.
The harsh truth is their cowards who want to retain the benefits that come with resigning.
If they resign they’re putting themselves over the country, against the oath they swore.
They’re fucking cowards not heroes, and I legit don’t know why people don’t see that.
I didn’t say awareness is most important, I said it was first order, and I stand by that.
I’m not saying this is enough and we should prop our feet up and wait for it all to blow over. I’m saying awareness itself is critically important for anything else to happen, and whether this is the thing that will do it or not (it won’t be one thing), it’s critical that more of the populace becomes aware.
I’m not even sure what we’re arguing about at this point, but you’re +7 in my upvote history so I clearly agree with you on a lot, but I think it is important for leaders to walk away and it’s important for people to see that happening.
And I’m saying by staying in, refusing to pass down orders you believe are illegal, and making them fire you over it and making a bunch of noise is a better plan.
You have no reason to take my word on it, but I’ve been thru UCMJ before myself (for valid reasons).
But I’ve also stopped over 5 people from going thru the same thing on fraudulent charges.
I put ten toes down against a mutiny charge for it, and told them to court martial me, and they backed down.
Again, I know it’s a big ask to for you to take my word on it, but I am intimately familiar with what’s happening and what various courses of action will lead to.
The best course is to fucking stand your ground and fulfill your oath. Not resign and fuck off with an officers pension while the nation burns.
Resigning is a way to call attention to the problem while you still have most of your credibility. There would be a smear campaign against you, but the alternative situation might be after getting fired for cause, where it would be easier to believe that you are just making excuses to save face. Especially if you are already demoralized and don’t have the energy to make a stand, you may start feeding the idea that you are just unfit for the job and lose support internally.
It also adds a bit of chaos into the organization that needs to replace you and may not have somebody prepared to step into a position haunted by this politicized issue and rocky transition. It does happen because organizations are made of limited and discrete people, but it is easy to be afraid of the infinite number of sycophants that must be ready to take their place.
It might be a tactic that is useful in limited situations, but I agree in general that we want rusty cogs slowing down the fascist machine.
Oh wow!
I didn’t realize this was for awareness. Someone go get Susan G Kommen out of whatever mansion she’s hiding in and tell her we need to raise fucking awareness that trump is violating the constitution.
Obviously nothing is more important than awareness!
Why fight fascism when you can raise awareness?
#Giant fucking /S
You kid but awareness is a first order problem in the fight itself, and I hate to break it to you, but a significant portion of the population is not meaningfully aware of how dire it is.
Something like this might be the thing that gets through to them. There is also probably a large portion of the population who suspects how bad this is but doesn’t trust the media and is specifically looking to see how the military leaders react to this stuff.
If there are any perceived adults in the room at this point, it is probably the military.
Oh yeah, I’m absolutely positive the people who are ignorant of what’s happening will see this Huff Post article and their minds will change…
This one news article about a quitter raises waaaaaya more awareness than months/years of court cases where officers are being let go for not following specific orders they felt were illegal
Not as much as you’d think
They’ll be even less, if the few adults left fucking resign and leave
You would be making such a killer point if this were even remotely the only article covering it, haha.
Let’s say a dozen articles over a week if say that’s generous though.
Compare that to years/months of trump having to fire 100s maybe even thousands of officers while they say loudly and repeatedly exactly what the illegal.orders were in a courtroom…
Like cmon man.
Even if you legitimately think awareness is most important, making trump fire them is more awareness.
And that’s not even getting into how much of a hassle firing an officer is.
The harsh truth is their cowards who want to retain the benefits that come with resigning.
If they resign they’re putting themselves over the country, against the oath they swore.
They’re fucking cowards not heroes, and I legit don’t know why people don’t see that.
I didn’t say awareness is most important, I said it was first order, and I stand by that.
I’m not saying this is enough and we should prop our feet up and wait for it all to blow over. I’m saying awareness itself is critically important for anything else to happen, and whether this is the thing that will do it or not (it won’t be one thing), it’s critical that more of the populace becomes aware.
I’m not even sure what we’re arguing about at this point, but you’re +7 in my upvote history so I clearly agree with you on a lot, but I think it is important for leaders to walk away and it’s important for people to see that happening.
And I’m saying by staying in, refusing to pass down orders you believe are illegal, and making them fire you over it and making a bunch of noise is a better plan.
You have no reason to take my word on it, but I’ve been thru UCMJ before myself (for valid reasons).
But I’ve also stopped over 5 people from going thru the same thing on fraudulent charges.
I put ten toes down against a mutiny charge for it, and told them to court martial me, and they backed down.
Again, I know it’s a big ask to for you to take my word on it, but I am intimately familiar with what’s happening and what various courses of action will lead to.
The best course is to fucking stand your ground and fulfill your oath. Not resign and fuck off with an officers pension while the nation burns.