this occurred in Aceh which is a gigantic island, but it’s known as the “crazy muslim conservative island”. They’re locally governed and don’t represent Indonesia as a whole.
Arabia hasn’t been closely involved for a long time. Actually, I don’t know if it ever was or the someone like the Mughals were an intermediary, off the top of my head. It’s far away from the Middle East.
Religious conservatives gonna religious conservative. If you go back to ancient history sometimes they were fine with homosexuality, or even expected some amount, but that died out along the way. Because of the European empires, but only because they were more successful, so I wouldn’t blame Europe either.
The really successful religions and eventually empires just happened to be homophobic, so anyone conservative globally is likely to be homophobic.
It’s actually a pretty LGBT friendly region anyway, it’s legal in most of Indonesia, even, but they border Malaysia where gay stuff gets hard prison time.
Edit: As in, SE Asia is a relatively gay-friendly region, for whatever reason. It’s not because social conservatism is out of style.
Indonesia itself is meh. Better than Malaysia, worse than Thailand. And the Muslim part will cane you for it, per the article.
Indonesia being in any way LGBT friendly is quite incorrect. No, there is no national law outlawing LGBTQ, however, there is a lot of discrimination, prejudice, hate crimes, etc. Yeah, there are some waria there, in some areas, but in general, it’s not a place you would want to be LGBTQ. Source: Lived there for years, have family there.
To clarify, I meant SE Asia as the region, and I was mentally comparing against Africa or the rest of Asia. It’s not the West, but Thailand and Singapore have legal gay marriage now.
Yes - much better for the populace to be seeing beatings than… ew …LOVE?!?
WTF? Is the country run by incels?
EDIT: oh, I see - homophobic incels.
Worse, religious fundamentalists.
the manosphere takes many forms, but the basic shape is always the same
The basic shape.
Genocidal homophobic incel western puppets currently imperializing their neighbors, and were the prototype for America’s anticommunist tactics post-1965.
Right. It’s the West’s fault. Probably converted Christians are secretly in charge there. Certainly no blame due for Arabia.
this occurred in Aceh which is a gigantic island, but it’s known as the “crazy muslim conservative island”. They’re locally governed and don’t represent Indonesia as a whole.
Arabia hasn’t been closely involved for a long time. Actually, I don’t know if it ever was or the someone like the Mughals were an intermediary, off the top of my head. It’s far away from the Middle East.
Religious conservatives gonna religious conservative. If you go back to ancient history sometimes they were fine with homosexuality, or even expected some amount, but that died out along the way. Because of the European empires, but only because they were more successful, so I wouldn’t blame Europe either.
Yes, it was the US who worked to isolate the democratically elected leftist government, while supplying arms, intelligence, and diplomatic support to the coup who overthrew the leftist government then murdered anyone insufficiently religious, rightwing, and conservative.
If the book on how this incident was a template for future US policy was too much reading, here’s a wikipedia article.
The really successful religions and eventually empires just happened to be homophobic, so anyone conservative globally is likely to be homophobic.
It’s actually a pretty LGBT friendly region anyway, it’s legal in most of Indonesia, even, but they border Malaysia where gay stuff gets hard prison time.
Edit: As in, SE Asia is a relatively gay-friendly region, for whatever reason. It’s not because social conservatism is out of style.
Indonesia itself is meh. Better than Malaysia, worse than Thailand. And the Muslim part will cane you for it, per the article.
LOL - you are so fucking wrong it’s not even funny.
Do I dare ask about which part?
Indonesia being in any way LGBT friendly is quite incorrect. No, there is no national law outlawing LGBTQ, however, there is a lot of discrimination, prejudice, hate crimes, etc. Yeah, there are some waria there, in some areas, but in general, it’s not a place you would want to be LGBTQ. Source: Lived there for years, have family there.
To clarify, I meant SE Asia as the region, and I was mentally comparing against Africa or the rest of Asia. It’s not the West, but Thailand and Singapore have legal gay marriage now.