Under this scenario Russia would have military and economic control of occupied Ukraine under its own governing body, imitating Israel’s de facto rule of Palestinian territory seized from Jordan in 1967.
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Witkoff, who is also tasked by Trump with bringing peace to the Middle East, is understood to support the idea, which the Americans believe circumvents barriers in the Ukrainian constitution to ceding territory without holding an “all-Ukraine” referendum.
Unlike in Vietnam, I’d say “they’re trying to kill us all and take our home, but we’re killing them instead” is a pretty good model of success for the Ukrainians.
It would be great if they had other options. Hanging Putin and demobilizing everyone, and rebuilding both countries, would be a great start.
When the bulk of the Russian active military remains untouched and the Ukrainians are mostly killing foreign mercenaries, prison conscripts, and the elderly surplus population?
Unfortunately, this moment in history was overdetermined. Westerners desperately wanted their new proxy war, with Afghanistan and Iraq drawing to a close. And Putin (not unlike Netanyahu) needed a national emergency to cling to power. So here we are.
I think there were ways out. But a lot of them started in 1991, when the USSR was cracking up. Bush aligning with Putin, Western Europe and the Middle East slaving itself to Russian natural gas, the global governments letting their private media get gobbled up by wealthy white nationalists… none of it helped. By the time we got to Maiden, it was pure Fash-on-Fash violence. Just two far-right governments screaming “Regime Change” at one another. Basically the same setup as Iraq-Iran in '88 and ending in the same grisly generational holocaust.
The Europeans will hang Putin and demobilize the Russian military the day before the Americans hang Trump and demobilize ICE.
Yeah! That’s in “The Art of War,” right? You’re supposed to send your “elderly” and other random dregs you can dig up first to fight a critical war. And then, once you’ve depended on all those “surplus” people for several years, you move on to your trained troops, the actual military. Obviously. It’s just part of the Russian mastery of military strategy that meant they
took over the country in three daysslowly pushed forward and got the mission accomplished and went home in a few monthsfought a Pyrrhic victory over the space of a year and a half and then negotiated a partition and then started rebuilding and preparing for next random invasion of some neighbor countrygot stuck at the border for years, ruined their economy and any respect their military or kit might have had on the world stage, and are now scrounging around for any possible military-age males they can lay hands on to keep feeding into the grinder, hoping that if they keep it up long enough, it’ll work.I have more to say about the rest of your ridiculous message, but I don’t think it’s really necessary.
I mean, you seem really invested in this conflict and unable to hear anything contrary to Ukraine cheerleading.
So… Good luck, I guess.
Yeah, I’m just coming in this thread and saying totally weird counterfactual nonsense, just kind of anything that serves the narrative I am trying to portray. It doesn’t even have to make sense.