But F the poor I guess

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    I know this could be controversial, but in some countries immigration is quite a problem, there isn’t enough work for everyone and the crime just gets higher an higher plus they do it illegally, not quite the same even though I get y’all sentiment

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      It’s not controversial, it’s just wrong. Immigration never takes jobs away, it always allows to create more jobs by inflating the local economy. Miami absorbed Cuban migrants after Mariel, and went richer. It has been widely studied now: immigrants took first low paying jobs that were understaffed, it injected more money in the local economy and it allowed spouses who were not working because they were doing the low paying jobs for free (nannying for instance) to get back to high paying jobs, it injects more money… Same in Germany with Syrian intake

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        It isn’t always true tho it is true for developed countries with low birth rates. For many developing countries immigrants taking low level jobs is a negative because there isn’t enough high level jobs. And I am saying this as someone who is supportive of immigration

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          @git @drolex that seems to assume that individuals born in a particular geographic region should have better access to employment than those born somewhere else. Am I understanding you correctly?

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        It doesn’t always work out man, I live it in first person, they don’t integrate don’t work because we need every last job we have and distrust public peace

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      there isn’t enough work for everyone

      Immigrants induce demand for goods and services just like anyone else, thus the jobs to render those goods and services.

      the crime just gets higher and higher

      Technically depends on the country but this is usually false.

      plus they do it illegally

      Law is not morality. Perhaps it shouldn’t be illegal.

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        Immigrants induce demand for goods and services, thus jobs

        Except when the highest demand is for land. So they end up illegally occupying land, often government-maintained land that it usually allocates to agricultural projects.

        Perhaps it shouldn’t be illegal

        If you’re a third world country with a dense population and the population overflow is coming from an even more densely populated country that seems to have no motive to control it, then it damn right should be illegal. I’m not sacrificing my demographic if you can’t take any right steps to regulate yours.

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          First of all, migrants not only generate jobs, but they also work the jobs that most native people don’t want. Most farms and construction works nowadays are occupied by inmigrants, because they don’t steal your job, they take the ones that you didn’t like.

          Second of all, most countries are not populated to their fullest. There’s a lot of space, both horizontal and vertical, and Europe can perfectly house the inmigrants that it gets. And if space is such a big problem, then you should look at why we are letting entities like banks and “governments” have lots (thousands) of empty houses.

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            Not well-versed about the situation in the West. Read my comment again, especially the last part; I’m talking about densely populated third-world countries like mine.