I may switch over to fedora, I needed something non-debian with XFCE.

Absolutely not our problem. They can come up with other business models. Maybe they can resurrect one of the hundreds of projects/business models from them at https://killedbygoogle.com/ and run with that

Nice. I switched from Manjaro KDE to Manjaro XFCE. Check out Tilda - it’s a drop down Quake style terminal, I use ctrl + ~ https://micg.net/the-way-it-should-be-manjaro-xfce-the-lightweight-linux-desktop/

I suggest Manjaro. Debian’s always 5 versions behind, and Ubuntu’s ‘selling security’ - Fedora’s good though.