Because it’s what they will buy, it’s what I’ll buy. And it suits their argument. Calling people out for not reading the article when they are quoting a price from the article is silly though.

That being said, I don’t really buy the comparison between the optiflex and the pi. It’s like saying you can buy a perfectly good Geo metro as opposed to building a kit bike.

$80 for its 8GB

It seems like people really aren’t reading the article.

Just eat them.

There is no trick that will make you think an apple is actually pie or make kale taste just like potato chips.

Try new stuff. Go to the Asian grocery store and buy random fruits and veggies you haven’t seen before and try them. Worst case you hate them, but you seem to be there already, best case you love them.

I get what you are saying, and I don’t mean to trivialize ADHD or anyone’s experience. I just feel that many opinions and experiences I’ve seen here are common occurrences to me and most people I know. It’s impossible to judge how frequent or distressing each of them are to anyone who is suffering due to them. In my experience nearly everything posted here is a not a “that happens once in a while” but a “yes that is a thing humans do.”

I think since everyone who has ADHD only knows what it is like to have ADHD many silly things everybody experiences are seen as a result of ADHD. Like giving up on a comment while posting it.

Once again, I have no way of judging how impactful, frequent and distressing any behavior is for another person, nor do I think there is benefit in doing so. I just believe that much of content I’ve seen here is not unique to ADHD people.

Nearly every post I’ve seen is not only applicable to me, but my wife, friends and family.

So either these aren’t things unique to the ADHD experience or everyone I know has ADHD.

Are you against roads?

Do you use the sidewalk without paying a fee to a private entity that helped develop it?

Housing doesn’t have to be a scarcity market. I don’t anyone is complaining about people who own a house, but people are complaining about companies and individuals who own 10,000 homes.

It is easy, if you can get a mortgage.

I currently pay less than $2k a month on my mortgage. A 1 bedroom apartment near me is about $1.8-2.5k and a 2 bedroom is $2.5-3.5k a month. People aren’t lazy and not buying houses because it’s so fun to live in an apartment, they are doing it because they can’t get a loan.

The only difficult thing about buying a house is the hours of paperwork and surprise costs that make no sense.

One of the problems with arguing with people online is I tend to assume people are arguing in good faith.

After getting about 50 studies showing that cell phones are bad for learning, I switched to duckduckgo. Not until page 3 did I find your sources. You have waded through data that says you are wrong. I’m not interested in copying them for you.

I disagree.

Great! But you have no evidence to support your argument. Your apples to oranges comparison of laptops isn’t compelling. Nor am I compelled by your methodology argument, which seems to take issue with testing a hypothesis that phones are a distraction.

thought hitting was better than nothing even when they knew it was net harmful

Once again, we know cellphones are detrimental to learning. This is not a matter of schools failing to adapt to new technology. Tablets, computers, interactive software and more are used. It is about unrestricted cell phone use, which studies have shown hinders learning.

a phone ban in NY caused an increase in overall student obedience and educational productivity, … Of course, this study does directly contradict your educatoronline article.

No it doesn’t. It says that no phones mean better learning. You are missing the forest for the trees.

Crowd dynamics

Lots of research has been done on this, and a small number of people can influence a large group. Look at “wave” studies for more info.

Calling minimum acceptable classroom behavior “picking yourself up by your bootstraps” is absurd. It’s like saying that you can’t expect people to not talk at the theater because that’s just asking too much of people.

It’s like every time a person says “see, this is what happens when you don’t hit children” at every behavior issue. Even though we know that hitting children objectively worsens behavior over doing nothing, but they insist that doing the only thing they know, even if harmful, is better.

But we know children learn better without phones https://www.theeducatoronline.com/k12/news/the-evidence-is-clear-students-learn-better-without-mobile-phones-in-class/276071 You are the person insisting on hitting the child here.

Putting phones in school makes learning harder.

When you have a room of 30 students and 29 of them are complaining about something … point out how unlikely it is that those 29 students are the causal variable.

You are saying 29 out of 30 people can’t be right, which is very wrong. But what you miss is that it’s really 3-4 kids disrupting and the rest going along because it’s easier.

It’s the path of least resistance, and people will jump onto the easy path.

“Personal Responsibility” attitudes just doesn’t work for crowd dynamics,

Except they do. Look at all the examples of Japanese fans cleaning stadiums.

In a crowd most people will follow the norm. If the norm is playing on your phone and not listening, the you have a bad time. It’s not punishing kids because teachers are bad at their jobs, it’s setting a behavioral norm.

Next time you dislike your teacher think about when you got stuck in a group with people who wouldn’t do anything. Now imagine a class full of them. If just one or two more people put in a little effort good things would happen.

You do know that Excel is used in every job right?

I think strawberry pop tarts have less frosting than all other flavors.

It’s petty and small, but every time I have a strawberry pop tart the frosting is so thin that the holes on the top are clear through the frosting. No other flavor has this problem. I don’t think it matters, but it feels like a conspiracy.

What exactly should be done to motivate?

I ask because schools do a lot to motivate but kids often dismiss it as lame or complain about the efforts. It’s very easy to say “motivate kids” but actual ideas aren’t common.

Let me give you an example, everyone has heard “when will we use this in real life?” in math class. The same people asking those questions are the same that groan at word problems. So you have kids complaining that won’t be able to use something in real life, and upset when they have to solve a real life problem. What’s the real complaint the student has? They have to try.

I agree that so much more can be done to make school fun, but it’s not all on the teachers. Students have to be present, participate and willing to leave their comfort zone in order to have better results.

I think the biggest issue isn’t letting kids use a tool, it’s getting kids to do the work.

I recently worked with a bunch of kids in college, all stem majors, who couldn’t Google effectively or do basic math in their heads. It’s not a matter of “don’t let them use a resource” it’s that many people won’t try.

Limiting technology isn’t cruelty, it’s vital for learning many skills. Number sense can’t be taught by a taking a picture and writing an answer.

What would you prefer the school do?

How could they motivate you to actually pay attention in class instead of playing with your phone? Honestly ask yourself if this “addressing motivation” would make geometry more interesting than tiktok.

There are several jobs that are frequently mentioned in discussions like this that are actually thanked all of them time.

Nurses, teachers, fire, EMTs and police are always mentioned. They are hard jobs and mostly under paid. However they are constantly thanked, businesses give discounts and commercials and politicians thank them endlessly.

Grocery store workers, butchers, plumbers, electricians, custodians, truck drivers and most “menial jobs” are completely thankless. Think of the last time you saw a 10% off for nurses and if you’ve ever seen 10% off for overnight stockers.

I was making over $60k a year managing a small retail store.

It isn’t too hard to break into management of boutique retail shops, but you are basically a rep who doesn’t get overtime and has a few additional responsibilities. A part time job at a big corporation won’t be a living wage, but it’s possible to make a living in retail.

The job really sucks though.

The big difference is the type of job you can get.

If you want to work retail you can make decent money, but you are standing all day, dealing with entitled people and work hours that make it difficult to have a life. If you want a 9-5 better get a degree.

You ever think about how weird most housing is?

Suburbia is lines of houses with the same items in them not being used. Full of people who become petty tyrants comparing about a car being parked to close or a yard not neat enough.

If you start to question how we should live together it’s easier to see a way for landlords to cease to exist.

Do you think they dyed all their margaritas black in mourning?