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  • In my corner of the embedded world, it feels like everyone is practically jumping to integrate Rust. In the sense that vendors which haven’t had to innovate for 10+ years will suddenly publish a Rust API out of the blue. And I’m saying “out of the blue”, but I do also regularly hear from other devs, that they’ve been pestering the vendors to provide a Rust API or even started writing own wrappers for their C APIs.

    And while it’s certainly a factor that Rust is good, in my experience they generally just want to get away from C. Even our management is well aware that C is a liability.

    I guess, I should add that while I say “jumping”, this is the embedded world where everything moves extremely slowly, so we’re talking about a multi-year jump. In our field, you need to get certifications for your toolchain and code quality, for example, so lots of work is necessary to formalize all of that.


  • Yeah, particularly the broadcasting really irks me.
    That is an opinion you can hold for yourself and then make compromises as you encounter reality. I do expect programmers to hold strong opinions.

    But when you broadcast it, you strip yourself of the option to make compromises. You’re just saying something which is going to be wrong in one way or another in most situations. I do expect programmers to be smarter than that.



  • Ephera@lemmy.mltoProgrammer Humor@programming.devfoss
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    7 days ago

    To be fair, you can also somewhat steer whether it will take off as a dev, by how you promote it and how much time you take to make it easily usable by others. Many devs really don’t care to have their passion projects take off, because it means you’ll likely spend less time doing your passion thing, more time doing user support.


  • Ah shit, here we go again.

    I almost expected someone to learn that just from me posting. 😅

    Basically, OpenOffice used to be organized by Sun Microsystems. Then Sun got bought by Oracle back in 2010.
    Oracle does not have a good reputation at all, so the OpenOffice devs from back then figured they’d need to take things into their own hands and set up The Document Foundation to organize further development. But the OpenOffice trademark was owned by Sun/Oracle, so they had to rename and get a new homepage and everything. The name they chose is LibreOffice: https://www.libreoffice.org/

    After the OpenOffice project was effectively dead, Oracle handed it and its trademark over to the Apache Foundation, where it’s seeing occasional bug fixes. But to my knowledge, they don’t even have the capacity to fix all the security problems.
    All the actual feature development happens over on the LibreOffice side.

    So, in practice, if you want OpenOffice, what you really want is LibreOffice.



  • Yeah, not great. You always hope that projects under a larger foundation, like GNOME, have a higher bus factor¹, but unless that foundation has dispensible income to pay someone, you’re ultimately still reliant on volunteers and not many people volunteer for maintenance.

    What the foundation can do, though, which is also really important, is to hand over the keys to a new maintainer, should you disappear over night.
    Like, yeah, forking is great, but some people will never learn of the fork. It happens about once a year that I find someone online who’s still using OpenOffice and that project has been practically dead since 2011.
    So, I do hope we can get more open-source projects under some sort of umbrella. No idea how to actually do that, though. I also have open-source projects where I would not even know where to start to get them under some organization…






  • Ephera@lemmy.mltoMemes@lemmy.mlFacts
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    Oh man, I think it’s been taken offline, but there was a video podcast thingamabob on PeerTube, where two dudes would wax philosophically about politics, which they called “Dagoth Hour”. 🙃

    (The main baddy in Morrowind is called “Dagoth Ur” and he likes to wax philosophically.)



  • I really don’t agree with saving keypresses being a useful metric, since auto-completion is a thing and code is read significantly more often than it is written. I am also a staunch opponent of abbreviations being used for variable names.

    But I will say that I don’t mind abbreviations in keywords, since well, you need to learn the meaning either way.
    And yeah, I’ve come to somewhat like them being used for keywords, since it reduces visual noise where it really isn’t useful, and it distinguishes keywords from actual code.
    Ultimately, keywords are just syntax where letters were used instead of a symbol. You do read them like a symbol, so if they don’t look like a real word, that seems to work quite well for my brain.



  • I’m not sure, what you mean by “Chekhov’s footgun”, but well, it isn’t a footgun, so you won’t accidentally return a wrong value from the function, if that’s what you’re thinking.

    It’s not a Rust invention, most functional programming languages have implicit returns, but basically think less of them as a function return and more just as the value that a scope evaluates to.

    So, here’s a simple example:

    let sum = {
        let x = 5 + 9;
        3 * x
    };
    

    Obviously, this is an extremely contrived example, but yeah, as you can see, it does not even have to involve a function. The implicit return makes it so that sum is set to the result from 3 * x.
    And the scope-braces are nice here, because you can do intermediate steps without having x in scope for the rest of your function.

    In practice, if you see scope-braces and the line at the end does not have a semicolon, then that’s the value that the whole scope evaluates to. Those scope-braces can also be the braces of a function, but then you need to annotate what the function is going to return, too, so it’s practically impossible to return a wrong value.

    Well, and I would actually argue that explicit returns are a footgun in comparison.
    Because someone might introduce clean-up code at the end of the function and not realize that an explicit return skips that clean-up code, somewhere further up in the function.
    The implicit return always has to be at the end of the scope, so it’s not possible to accidentally skip code.


  • That is, like, genuinely an advantage, though. At $ DAYJOB, we have a project that spans embedded, backend, web frontend and CLI, and for all of these, Rust is decent.

    Like, I can see why a frontend dev would want to use HTML+CSS+JS/TS (rather than HTML+CSS+Rust), mainly because the massive ecosystem of JS components makes you more productive.

    But you pretty much won’t ever develop a web frontend without an accompanying backend, and then being able to use the same language-expertise, libraries, utility functions and model types, that is also a big boost to productivity, especially if you won’t have a dedicated frontend dev anyways.

    Realizing that also made me understand why people subject themselves to NodeJS for their backend, which has the same advantage, just with the big ecosystem in the frontend and the small ecosystem in the backend.