DreamerOfImprobableDreams

Yeah, there’s precisely zero chance this doesn’t blow the fuck up in El Salvador’s face in the long run. Not to mention it’s horrific on every possible level.

Hope to god El Salvador manages to figure out a way to get rid of this guy, and fast. Otherwise they’re in for a very bad few decades.

Because if everyone involved is quitting their jobs, they’ll have no money with which to buy food. Which means they’ll have to farm it themselves. And farming, even with top-of-the-line modern tech, is backbreaking fucking work. Also unpredictable as hell: bad harvests aren’t uncommon, especially for novice farmers with no formal training like these guys would be.

In other words, one bad harvest, and everyone in the system you’re proposing fucking dies. Yeah, there’s a reason in the 1800s people were abandoning their family farms for the horrorshow of Victorian era-factories en masse: because even that hell was still preferable to farming.

A lot of those 17 are dictatorships, where the elites are unsurprisingly big fans of Russia / Wagner helping them prop up their regimes. Actual normal people in those countries tend to be significantly more anti-Russia.

Yes, because in 2015 gay marriage was legalized.

I guarantee these people were absolutely as shitty about LGBTQ+ issues before 2015, they just talked about them less frequenly around you since they didn’t have to think about gay people too often. But I guarantee they were just as horrible towards gay people back then-- if not moreso, since they thought they could get away with the toxicity since no one cared-- as they are today.

Source: was woman with a ton of LGBTQ+ friends before 2014. Bigotry hasn’t gotten any worse since then, just louder. (And the good news is the reason the bigots have gotten louder is because more normies are becoming tolerant or accepting of LGBTQ+ people, causing the remaining bigots to realize they’re losing control of society and flip the hell out!)

Agreed completely. How is it possible people still don’t realize that with fascists, the cruelty is the point? Torturing minorities isn’t a distraction, it’s the goal.

Fair enough. I just get pissed when people like OP suggest bigotry only exists because Economically Anxious^TM people are being manipulated by The Elites^TM. Anyone who’s interacted with well-off people for longer than a few minutes knows being economically secure doesn’t magically make you not a bigot anymore.

And I hate the implication bigotry is somehow “less important” an issue than economic inequality. Especially since the two are so intimately intertwined, especially in the US, it’s impossible to make progress tackling one without tackling the other.

Or maybe fascists are just transphobic bigots who want to torture and kill trans people because, well, they’re fascists, it’s what they do?

You need to understand the far right doesn’t give a damn about economic issues. Not one crap. (Because most far-right supporters are middle-class or higher, for the record!) They want power for one reason, and one reason only: to lord it over the minorities they consider their inferiors, if not outright killing them.

This isn’t a “distraction”, it’s the fucking goal.

As if Putin didn’t already give us enough reasons to hate him.

He really is determined to follow in all of Hitler’s footsteps, huh. Well, hopefully he’ll follow Hitler right to the same ending.

I’m saying it’s among the biggest issues! A fascist regime going after one of the most vulnerable classes of citizens, how is that anything other than a colossal issue?

There is no “more important issue” than protecting fundamental human rights, including fundamental human rights of LGBTQ+ people.

This is completely false, going after trans people was literally one of the first thing the Nazis did.

LGBTQ+ people aren’t a “distraction” from “more important issues”, they are real human beings with real lives who fascists love to fuck with for no other reason than they’re bullies.

Thankfully, enough parties have pledged not to coalition with the far right that it looks like they’ll be boxed out of power. Most likely outcome seems to be Sanchez’s center-left party allying with further-left parties and regional / secessionist parties to form a minority government.

Things could still fuck up during coalition negotiations, but for now I’m cautiously optimistic. Probably the best possible outcome, given the circumstances.

(Also the far right party lost half its seats in Parliament, lmaoooooooo)

Funny, because “x-ing out” is what I do whenever I accidentally click on a twitter link nowadays!

What the hell is going on in Europe that’s causing this recent surge in the far right? Seriously, fist Italy, then Spain, now Germany of all places.

Sharp disagree there. I understand you need to keep some things, like the exact locations of the shelters, a secret, but right now things are so opaque it’s hard to even figure out how to check for what services might be available to you in your area. Like, literally, I wouldn’t even know where to look (google “DV shelters in <my area>”??? I guess? But then you have to worry about being scammed, and the conditions, and if they take kids / pets / male victims, and, and, and…)

That’s a lot of fucking time and energy to waste trying to figure out where to even ask for help, let alone actually asking it. And if you’re in that situation, you do not have a lot of time and energy at your disposal.

Would be so much easier to just have a hotline you could call that could help you figure out what options are avaliable to you and how to access them.

Maybe not quite what OP was imagining, but I was less focused on the extraction itself and more the destination: a network of safe, private residences you could flee to, then stay at until you’ve found a job and are ready to move into normal housing. Even better if they have psychological professionals on hand to help you deal with your trauma-- or hell, even staffers who’ll help you get in touch with psychological professionals and other resources to help you get back on your feet would be a big plus.

As for the “extraction” itself, yeah, just going in guns blazing wouldn’t work. It’d probably have to vary from client to client. Could be something as simple as venmoing you money for an uber. Or maybe you could work together with the staffers on some kind of skullduggery scheme-- like you say you’re going out “grocery shopping”, then there’s a car waiting for you in the grocery store parking lot to take you to the shelters.

Honestly, even just having a friendly voice on the other side of the phone helping you figure out a plan to get out would be a huge help.

Absolutely. And safe, private apartments the people being evacced can stay at for a few weeks / months while they look for work. Not “shelters” that are usually anything but (assuming you can even ones with space available for you in your area).

988 is a phenomenal, life-saving service, but unfortunately they don’t help you get in touch with services to get out of dangerous situations.

There is the National Domestic Violence hotline, but they’re A) run by a private organization, and B) literally hang up on you unless you’re experienceing “intimate partner violence”-- because apparently all other forms of domestic violence don’t count!!!

This is one of the reasons abusers pressure you to quit your job-- so even if you were finanically stable before, you end up becoming financially dependant on them so you can’t just leave. It also makes it nigh-impossible for kids, even kids of wealthy families, to escape abusive situations before they’re old enough to get a job (and you can bet their parents will run interference to keep that from happening as long as possible, or else figure out a way to coerce them into giving them their paychecks.)

Police don’t help you get out of your home. The best case scenario is they arrest your abuser, who’ll be back home the next morning (and hopefully won’t retaliate too severely against you for humiliating them). Then, weeks to months later you have a court date-- by which time, your abuser’s likely threatened you into saying whatever it takes to get them off the hook, and the judge is more than happy to play along so they can get you out the door and move onto other, “more important” cases.

And again, that’s the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is your abuser convinces them you were actually the assaulter, and you’re the one going to jail instead! Actually, I lied, that’s the second-to-worst case scenario. Worst case scenario is the police do nothing, and leave you alone to deal with your abuser’s rage at almost getting them caught. Or, you know, they just charge in guns fucking blazing because your skin’s the wrong color.