You’re confusing AI Training with AI implementation.

True, the training is what needs the most power and water, for the implementation it highly depends on what kind of AI we are talking about and how many people use it per day, stable diffusion for instance is also costly when used. But in the end companies still need to regularly train their AI to stay relevant so the issue remains.

AI implementation is where the money is made, and lots is being made.

“Money is made” yes, “lots” no absolutly not, the money AI companies made are in the small millions per year, while their expenses are in the billions, for instance Anthropic made an impressive 900 mill last year for a ridiculus 5 billions in cost, ChatGPT is in the 6 billions and its only an advanced chatbot.

Are you that obtuse to the millions of subscriptions people are dishing out

Actually all that I said take these subscriptions into acount, the amount of money it generates is simply not enough compared to the cost of AI.

Are you not aware of the AI vision systems being used in the past 5 years making fucking $$$$$$$$ ? All of us gamers out there… all that $$$ into hardware to have DLSS is just ‘no real value’ ?? Why are you commenting on a topic you clearly have no idea how or where its being used?

The way you are mentioning techs that are nothing alike even though it has AI in the name tells me you know far less than I do.

It’s crazy considering the world we all live in today…

the power source is irrelevant to the argument

Even countries can’t yet rely on clean energy alone to power everything they have, and for what we know the electric cost for AI has already matched the consumption of some countries. Google promised they would rely only on clean energy for their own AI, only to admit the task is yet impossible. You also don’t mention water consumption, wich is so big it has been made illegal in several countries to prevent shortages.

Tbh it is actually the biggest argument here, because not one AI compagny has ever made a single dime, they all run at an unprecedented loss, without investors continuously wasting money in them they would all have died. The value of AI doesn’t outmatch such costs, to a point a lot of economists think it might be a bubble that will eventually explode.

It’s innovation

For it to be innovation, it would need to bring real value, something that eleviate the costs, so far it has none, the only thing AI companies really sell isn’t innovation but the idea of it. Funny enough, the tech in itself isn’t the problem here, it might sure have real usefull cases and real value, but not in the way we are applying it today and surely not how we are selling it.

Being halfway between both sides

People really need to stop playing devil advocate, «Especially in light of the enshittification of everything lately». Mozilla has gone downhill for a good while now, being gentled by sweet Google money and spending it in trends far too late only to waste it, employees keep getting fired while the CEO gets a regular raise and Firefox barely got improved over the years. And now they want to jump head first into AI, way too late again, all the while we already know all AI compagnies run at a tremendous loss. Can you even call that « trying to sustain itself» at this point ? Seems surreal to me.

All I really see is another breach of trust in a full history of mistakes, probably the last one.

I never cared for gendered roles as a child but I distinctly remember how often I would get laughed at or pointed out as strange for it, or even pressured by other children and some adults. I also remember observing other children feeling miserable because they failed to be boy/girl enough in some activities, or that somehow I was the only one who could spend time with both girls and boys, other children in my school always stayed with their own gender, and always had weird talks about the opposite gender as if they couldn’t understand each other wich made no sense to me.

Because of that I managed to grow up with an early notion that gender is an ideal that doesn’t fully apply to anybody, regardless of how much they think it does, that it’s somekind of weird social norm. I was relieved when we studied it later in high school, while some of my classmates had their mind blown I was only thinking «okay it’s not some weird secret only I know» xD

But it’s only when I was 25 that a friend told me I must be agender, so yeah maybe I realised some things quite early in life but nothing was perfectly clear to me nonetheless.