Sorry to beat the same drum in a short amount of time, but this is where thinking Biden wasn’t doing enough has led. Perfect being the enemy of the good and all. Explicit calls for ethnic cleansing were at least not on the table with the last administration.

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    I’m not here to defend the prior administration. I just find it almost comical that anyone thought Trump would be an improvement if not for the drastic outcomes we’re going to see. Bluntly, I think he wants the strip cleared out so that he and the Kushners can get some cheap real estate. The only thing that matters to him is self enrichment.

    If you believe this is an improvement, that’s certainly your right, but I don’t see it.

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      I don’t think many people actually thought Trump would be an improvement, aside from the Christian nationalists.

      When your life is misery, a chance, any chance, no matter how small, can often be or at least seem worth it. Rents are through the roof, pay is stagnant, health insurance is complete scam, and people have lost any hope of improving their lives. For tens of millions of people, the probability of them ever actually improving their lot in life is next to zero.

      Someone comes along and says, “I’ll smash the current order to pieces and reshuffle the entire deck.”

      Imagine you’re a person in desperate straits. You think that overall, that potential leader will be a net negative society. But in the current system, the probability of anything improving in your life is zero. With a complete shuffling of the societal deck, well your odds aren’t great, but they are non-zero. You’re not going to end up an oligarch, but maybe you’ll be one of the minority that ends up slightly better off. After all, some ordinary German citizens did actually materially benefit from the Nazis. Most didn’t, but some got lucky.

      This is why many people aside from Christian nationalists voted for Trump. The saw him as someone would would come along and knock over the Jenga tower of the existing sociopolitical order. They knew that the odds of their life being directly improved by this were slim. But they thought a slim chance was still there. And if nothing else, it would punish the bastards who have been keeping them down for years.

      This is the fatal flaw with milquetoast Democratic centrism. It ignores that if you go long enough without actually helping millions of people who really need help, eventually those desperate people will vote to burn it all down out of sheer spite.

      Is such a vote rational? No. But human beings are not rational. Human beings are not perfect utilitarian optimization engines. They vote with their hearts and souls, with both hope and rage. And that is what Democrats have repeatedly failed to realize.

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      I just find it almost comical that anyone thought Trump would be an improvement if not for the drastic outcomes we’re going to see.

      OK…just to make sure I understand you correctly - the people you’re mad at, are people who either voted for Trump, or didn’t vote at all, because of their opinions about Biden’s response to the genocide in Gaza.

      if that’s accurate, two questions:

      a) what is your estimate for the size of that group of people?

      b) how many actual individual people in that group can you identify by name? how many do you know personally? (vs having read a news story quoting them)

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        Counterpoint: What’s the relevance of either of those questions for an election that happened three months ago? I don’t like relitigating unspooled events.

        You’re welcome to your opinion that Biden or Harris would have been worse, but the facts don’t bear that out at all. I’m not mad at people; I’m somewhat surprised Pikachu that anyone thought this would not be the net result and vote accordingly.

        Projecting your political beliefs and rationales on others is not Beeing Nice. Your takeaway is not at all what I said, no matter how much you’d like it to be.

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          What’s the relevance of either of those questions for an election that happened three months ago? I don’t like relitigating unspooled events.

          my brother in Cthulhu, you started this post by saying:

          this is where thinking Biden wasn’t doing enough has led.

          you should decide if you’re for or against re-litigating things

          Projecting your political beliefs and rationales on others is not Beeing Nice.

          meanwhile, one paragraph above, you’re projecting an opinion onto me that I don’t have:

          You’re welcome to your opinion that Biden or Harris would have been worse