• Paragone@lemmy.world
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    20 days ago

    Perhaps you consider Israel to be not part of the West?

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01N7LQ2NR/

    Or perhaps you consider the US to not be part of the West?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations_by_the_United_States

    I’ve read that the CIA’s “heart-attack gun”, which shoots a frozen needle ( so it dissolves, leaving no “piece” to find ) of poison, explains a plague of heart-attacks among biomedical researchers, some years ago ( including those who refused to play any spook-games for anybody? either you’re working with us or you die? )

    NONE of our countries is “clean”, is my point.

    Some are more overtly evil, than others, is all…

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      20 days ago

      Israel is acting in a monsterous way that doesn’t make it think of it as part of the West. The US isn’t an angel, but that doesn’t make it like Putin’s Russia. It’s false equivalent. Though, with Trump, it could degrade so much I don’t see it as part of the West anymore. If it stops being a real democracy. It could even full apart as I don’t see all the States standing for it. Putin’s, and authoritarian’s everywhere, wet dream.

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        18 days ago
        1. I’m claiming that it isn’t category-logic that is valid, it is degree-in-a-spectrum logic that is valid.

        Believing that only Good™ & Bad™ are the only possible-conditions is false-dichotomy, false-framing.

        1 is openly-evil, the other … is less evil, & works hard at hiding all the evil it does, from white eyes.

        1. Israel holds it is Western, & treated as Western, in alignment, so it doesn’t matter if someone holds that “because of what they do, therefore they aren’t Western”: their centrality in the US’s military & international policy makes it Western in a functional sense.

        2. Representative-republic ISN’T, & never was, democracy, & the electoral-college made the US 2-times-removed from democracy, not 1-times-removed, as a normal representative-republic was.

        Trump-dictatorship just finishes converting it to an ideology-archy, is all.

        It’ll take 7-8y for Trump to personality-convert to not-even-understanding-how-any-other-could-be-valid DarkHexad personality,

        & then another 7-8y cycle for that personality’s dictatorship to BUTCHER the US of A, as the Confederate reverse-takeover enforces its race-±religion totalitarianism.

        He promised his followers they wouldn’t have to vote anymore, & that is a promise I trust him to fulfil.

        You identified very-few assassinations, but I linked to a whole damn table-listing of the US’s assassinations…

        IF that doesn’t count, because you’ve already made-up your mind, that isn’t Empiricism, that is ideology/prejudice/“religion”/programming/Kahneman1-mind, & I’m fine with that being your religion: it is many people’s religion, & you’ve total constitutional right to your ideology/prejudice/religion/programming/Kahneman1-mind, as all Westerners do, it seems…

        ( the problem is wrong-granularity: Nazism can be called a “religion” & there’s no logically-valid falsification of that.

        Instead of guaranteeing the constitutional right to any ideology/prejudice/religion/programming/Kahneman1-mind, the right needs to be much more precise, DISallowing DarkHexad principles or embodiements from being any guaranteed-right.

        But that would violate the current “entitlement” to evil as a religion, wouldn’t it? )

        Our view is whitewashed!

        Holding that an acceptably-whitewashed view “proves” that our side isn’t evil … that hasn’t upright-spine in it, you know?

        Here is a book I invested-in years ago, in order to discover if there was ANY truth to the “my whole view is whitewashed” position, & I figured that if I could understand 1 section of the book’s context rigorously-enough ( based on my knowledge of outside-evidence, stuff NOT in the book ), THEN I’d be able to judge whether the book was all conspiracist-delusion XOR whether it was proving that at-least a significant-percentage of what it was saying was … proving my belief to be what was baseless…

        https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-History-Conspiracies-Cover-Ups-American-ebook/dp/B01KEL9Z82/

        The section I dug-into was the systematic-assassination of biology researchers…

        From what I could tell, it checked-out.

        I never read any more of that book, because it’s too damn depressing.

        So, when it takes mere-seconds to find, online, evidence of THOUSANDS of falsely-labelled EKIA “Enemy Killed In Action”, as it was Obama’s S.O.P. to simply label ALL who US bombing butchered “EKIA”, ignoring their being just families who lived there…

        then the “evil XOR not-evil” false-dichotomy grates on my blood with its false-framing.

        No matter.

        Perhaps you hold that the evil the US does to its own not-have populations doesn’t count in G-D’s eye, either…

        Most whites don’t…

        In the 1st while of the BLM uprising there were 5 open lynchings in the Deep South, but … of course, … the police called all those hangings “suicide”, same as in the old days…

        ( read the Black news, when such events are happening, to get one’s eyes opened, I learned… )

        I’m insisting that ignoring/denying OUR side’s evil can’t fool or convince G-D itself, & that objectivity is how it sees all,

        & any Continuum/Soul which holds that it is child-of-G-D … that continuum NEEDS to get holding to G-D’s standards, including objectivity.

        Seeing what actually IS, you know?

        shruggeth

        I’ve linked to evidence, & provided correct reasoning, but nobody has ANY obligation to tolerate that there’s ANY truth in either:

        ideology/prejudice/religion/programming/Kahneman1-mind ( Kahneman’s “Thinking Fast and Slow”, THE most important book in all psychology, in the world, now

        https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman-ebook/dp/B00555X8OA/ NONE of my links are “affiliate” links: read the sample, there, & invest-in-truth if you find something, anything, to be truth, if you want. You determine what you find to be true, obviously. )

        all the imprint->reaction mind, no matter what it’s labelled, has the right to ideologically reject both evidence & correct-reasoning.

        WHEN one begins finding-out what’s being hidden by one’s own-side’s propaganda, there is nothing more demoralizing, more depressing, even betraying-of-one’s-belief.

        Nothing.

        But upright-ones require uprightness, & if “our side” has been warring against uprightness, then either we are accommodating it, XOR we are attacking it, for uprightness’s sake.

        Same with any cancer: accommodating it produces future-life-destruction, whereas fighting it, really digging-in, COSTS, but may save one’s life, itself…

        Ignore or dig-in, whichever you want.

        I’ve provided enough examples-of-evidence, & no reader of this has any obligation to step outside of ideology & actually-consider evidence, let-alone keep-digging until even-more objective-view gets put in their gaze.

        which is enough: Empiricists have all the convincing they need, & ideologues won’t ever be convinced, anyways: that is The Great Filter which will extinguish nearly-all of this-world’s population, this century’s deathmatch.

        Salut, Namaste, & Kaizen.

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          18 days ago

          TLDR - if you don’t support Ukraine’s right to exist, I’m not interested in your opinion. There is no balance here. I’ve met and know too many Ukrainians.