Your questions makes no sense to me, but assuming good faith on your part you seem to be asking:
How else can you earn money, apart from stealing from another person, if being an employee makes you subject to exploitation?
There are different ways to organize a workplace.
The crux of this question however is the (undemocratic) relation between employee and employer.
You’re only getting hired in any privately run company if you produce more value for the company than they pay you. (e.g. You earn X Dollar per month, but you make more than X Dollars per month for the company). This is true for every employee. While everyone contributes to the success of the company, noone has a say in how, when, how long, etc. the work can be done, and especially no say how profits (or “Surplus value” for marxists) are used and shared. It’s not necessarily a problem per say (any type of organization requires some form of authority), but it’s a problem when you entire or majority of the economy is organized in this way.
Other forms include
worker coops: the management/bosses are elected by it’s employees, which decide how the firm is run; look into Richard Wolff; Mondragon; Huawei, etc. for examples of firms, and more macroeconomically: Emiglia-Romania which has a large portion of GDP created this way or JZD Sluzovice is another example
I am fine with worker co-ops, but state owned firms just suck. I think you are wanting the cuban model which is really really really bad, and there is a reason I knew a guy that floated here on an inner tube to get away from it.
If you say so chief. Thank you for your valuable contribution.
I think you are wanting the cuban model which is really really really bad, and there is a reason
Strawmaning much here I see. Putting cuba in it’s context means obviously I want the model apply everywhere, because history taught us that context doesn’t matter obviously.
I knew a guy that floated here on an inner tube to get away from it.
What was his family business and his function in the batista regime?
The cuban model of government owned businesses is what you seem to be wanting, and even vox shows how poorly that works. State owned firms sucking is just a structural problem, if you dont understand why that is then you havent had to work with the government. The guy that floated here was due to wanting freedom and the ability to not be owned by the state.
There are some services in the economy you never would want to be privately owned. e.g. Firedepartment, healthcare providers, etc. These type of business are better run as a service for society, instead of these being subject to the profit motive. Look up what a privatized fire department looked like in New York. If you can’t understand that, then you havent been engaging with political theory enough…
even vox
Lol
The guy that floated here was due to wanting freedom and the ability to not be owned by the state
Castro brought freedom to Cuba. Looks like your friends understanding of freedom is the same as the average Americans: Being a wageslave for 8hrs a day on average lol
From selling their labour aka wageslavery. Usually.
401k and savings usually have investments, where appropriation of labour surplus happens.
Outside of stealing from other people, how would people make a living that dont own a company?
What do you mean? In what context are you asking the question?
If being an employee is exploitation, how else would they earn money that doesnt involve stealing from a person to give them money?
Your questions makes no sense to me, but assuming good faith on your part you seem to be asking:
There are different ways to organize a workplace.
The crux of this question however is the (undemocratic) relation between employee and employer.
You’re only getting hired in any privately run company if you produce more value for the company than they pay you. (e.g. You earn X Dollar per month, but you make more than X Dollars per month for the company). This is true for every employee. While everyone contributes to the success of the company, noone has a say in how, when, how long, etc. the work can be done, and especially no say how profits (or “Surplus value” for marxists) are used and shared. It’s not necessarily a problem per say (any type of organization requires some form of authority), but it’s a problem when you entire or majority of the economy is organized in this way.
Other forms include
worker coops: the management/bosses are elected by it’s employees, which decide how the firm is run; look into Richard Wolff; Mondragon; Huawei, etc. for examples of firms, and more macroeconomically: Emiglia-Romania which has a large portion of GDP created this way or JZD Sluzovice is another example
state-owned firms: Examples are United States Postal Service (USPS) and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_the_United_States best if you google it altogether.
I am fine with worker co-ops, but state owned firms just suck. I think you are wanting the cuban model which is really really really bad, and there is a reason I knew a guy that floated here on an inner tube to get away from it.
If you say so chief. Thank you for your valuable contribution.
Strawmaning much here I see. Putting cuba in it’s context means obviously I want the model apply everywhere, because history taught us that context doesn’t matter obviously.
What was his family business and his function in the batista regime?
The cuban model of government owned businesses is what you seem to be wanting, and even vox shows how poorly that works. State owned firms sucking is just a structural problem, if you dont understand why that is then you havent had to work with the government. The guy that floated here was due to wanting freedom and the ability to not be owned by the state.
There are some services in the economy you never would want to be privately owned. e.g. Firedepartment, healthcare providers, etc. These type of business are better run as a service for society, instead of these being subject to the profit motive. Look up what a privatized fire department looked like in New York. If you can’t understand that, then you havent been engaging with political theory enough…
Lol
Castro brought freedom to Cuba. Looks like your friends understanding of freedom is the same as the average Americans: Being a wageslave for 8hrs a day on average lol