Two of the three victims specifically singled out by the New York Times in a marquee exposé published in December, which alleged that Hamas had deliberately weaponized sexual violence during the October 7 attacks, were not in fact victims of sexual assault, according to the spokesperson for the Kibbutz Be’eri, which the Times identified as the location of the attack.

The Times article described three alleged victims of sexual assault for whom it reported specific biographical information. One, known as the “woman in the black dress,” was Gal Abdush. Some of her family members have contested the claims made by the Times. The other two alleged victims were unnamed teenage sisters from Kibbutz Be’eri whose precise ages were listed in the New York Times, making it possible to identify them.

When asked about the claims made by the New York Times, Paikin independently raised their name. “You’re talking about the Sharabi girls?” she said. “No, they just — they were shot. I’m saying ‘just,’ but they were shot and were not subjected to sexual abuse.” Paikin also disputed the graphic and highly detailed claims of the Israeli special forces paramedic who served as the source for the allegation, which was published in the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, and other media outlets. “It’s not true,” she told The Intercept, referring to the paramedic’s claims about the girls. “They were not sexually abused.”

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    Jean E carrol personally said she was raped and it seems credible from the evidence. why would I not believe her?

    Are there any israelis personally saying they were raped?

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      What evidence is there of Carroll’s rape besides an eyewitness account?

      There are multiple eyewitness accounts of rape/murder on 10/7. Furthermore, released hostages gave firsthand accounts to the UN of rape while in captivity.

      But you only accept eyewitness accounts when they fit your narrative. That’s why nobody should believe Hamas’ denials.

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        What evidence is there of Carroll’s rape besides an eyewitness account?

        Carroll herself claims being victim not an eyewitness. Did anyone claim being a victim of Hamas rape?

        released hostages gave firsthand accounts to the UN of rape while in captivity

        You clearly have not read the UN report as that is absolutely not what it says. No released hostage has claimed to have witnessed any rape.

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          UN:

          Based on the first-hand accounts of released hostages, the mission team received clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment occurred

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              No need, because the UN summarized it for me. Just as I believe there are 30,000 dead Gazans, even though I don’t have a list of names and proof they are dead.

              No doubt you too believe there are 30,000 dead Gazans, based on someone else’s summary. Which as usual means you only believe facts that fit your narrative.

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                No you said firsthand witness what you just read wasn’t that. It was someone that said they “heard a rumor while in captivity.” They never witnessed it.

                Reading is truly difficult.

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                  The UN literally said they had firsthand accounts.

                  Reading truly is difficult.

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                    First hand accounts of rumors they heard. Not of rape which what you claimed.

                    Which in layman’s terms means “we spoke a hostage that said they heard someone say that there was rape but they never saw any rape nor were they sexually violated themselves”.