• CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    Source: wiki, which is whatever they link to.

    The US estimate of causalities; Russia - 315k - current

    Ukraine - 170-190k - as of August, so its higher now

    See sources in wiki for more details!

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      8 months ago

      So if we choose to believe that those numbers are correct, Russians are losing soldiers two to one, have taken over 100 times longer than they thought to complete this mission, and are burdened with sanctions that will cripple them economically in the frail hopes that they’ll be able to tenuously secure two regions of a country that take their ass for two years now?

      That weak Russian military force and its leaders that have ended up ruining their own countries future prospects are the losers. Russia is the loser here.

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        and are burdened with sanctions that will cripple them economically

        American propaganda. Those sanctions have harmed the US more than russia. It might be one of the things that changes how economics around the world works.

        And its still not 2 to 1, it would be 3 to 2, and russia has a much larger population to draw from. Ukraine is losing, and the best stat to confirm this is their median soldier age of 43, they are running out of people.

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          Wow! I’d love to hear your reasoning on how with the US dollar is booming, low unemployment, GDP growing every quarter, interest lowering, consumer spending rising, somehow the US sanctions on russia are hurting the u.s more than Russia.

          What a topsy turvy world you live in.

          Russian has basically insured that their top export will become largely irrelevant in the next decade, without any sanctions.

          That’s not the win you seem to think it is.

          Also, yes, if you make up numbers, it can sound like Russia isn’t losing as bad as it is losing, if you also ignore how they’re crippling their nation economically, diplomatically and militarily for at least decades and are getting their asses kicked for 2 years now by a country they thought they would take over in a week, without any significant permanent land gains.

          Russia is losing hard.

          And again, even if they get their measly two provinces temporarily, the decades of diplomatic and economic blackballing they’ll endure for at least decades, especially since everyone knows now how weak the Russian military is now, has severely ruined their future.

          All Russia has done with this is make himself look terrible. Morally, prove that you can’t trust any treaties they sign, show how weak their military is, and ruin them financially and diplomatically.

          Meanwhile, Ukraine is going to be supported globally and be receiving restitution from Russia for decades, after having kicked their ass in a war Russia loudly proclaimed they would win and have lost for 2 years.

          Russia is the loser here.

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            8 months ago

            Dude, you just believe anything that you are told by people. I can tell you and show you that your causalities were obvious propaganda, and then you just shift to different propaganda.

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              You always say things are propaganda without providing any evidence or counterpoint.

              All I’m doing is telling you about corroborated facts that disagree with your baseless theories.

              That’s called evidence.

              There are several facts that you can’t deny, but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t real.

              It means that they are true and you don’t like them.

              Like Russia losing this war.

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                You think that if it takes 20 comments to kind of convince you that 400k and 30k are bad numbers that I will be able to convince you that particular sanctions were not affective?

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                  You saying that the agreed upon numbers are bad does not make those numbers bad.

                  And no, I don’t think you’ll be able to convince me of anything that I have better corroborated facts for from multiple credible and reliable sources, while you spout vagaries and baseless innuendos.

                  Having said that, I do like being proved right repeatedly, so feel free to take your best shot.

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                    You literally are repeating the Ukraine numbers, and I point to less partisan numbers that are much different but you still think you are right by repeating propadanda. Sorry dude, you will not be able to understand any arguments.

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              Russia is losing this war by every measurable statistic.

              They are losing more soldiers.

              They are losing global goodwill and actively gaining international accountants aligned against Russia

              They’re not gaining any land.

              They’re losing more equipment. They’re losing more vehicles of aircraft.

              They’re losing uncountable billions of dollars in oil sales that they are not getting back because the countries that used to trade with them are pivoting rapidly to sustainable energy.

              Russia is losing hard.

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                They’re losing uncountable billions of dollars in oil sales that they are not getting back because the countries that used to trade with them are pivoting rapidly to sustainable energy.

                Only a few more decades until sustainability! 🤡

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                  You are really behind the times aren’t you?

                  Sustainable energy is exploding.

                  In a few months, Germany reduced oil imported from Russia by 20%, from 35% and are actively replacing that energy loss with renewable resources.

                  Many other countries are doing the same.

                  Russian just cut off the remainder of the profit margin they had for their oil fields during extended years in the future they’ll be economically disadvantaged.

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                    70% of renewable energy in Germany is fucking wood burning.

                    We are not even close to sustainability. I’m sure Europe can get by without Russia by relying on LNG and renewables, but my point is that sustainability is not happening.