• YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Maybe next time don’t start a war in October? Or just don’t start a war and actually open diplomac relationships to solve problems.

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      I’m sure those children that make up more than half of the population will think twice before extremists that aren’t them do something.

      Then they could live like in the West Bank, where settlers burn your crops and kill you to take your land. Where the territory you control is comparable to the holes in Swiss cheese, surrounded on all sides by Israeli checkpoints and illegal settlements.

      Extremists thrive in unstable social environments, the attack in October did not happen in a geopolitical vacuum. The depraved and horrifying conditions inflicted on the Palestinian people by Israel directly fuel the extremists and the current political coalition in power are very much on record as using Hamas to kill international support for Palestinians at large. Not to mention cabinet members like Ben Gvir using bloodthirsty language commonly put solely onto Palestinians.

      Maybe Netanyahu and his coalition shouldn’t colonize and repress people? Maybe they should work with moderates as opposed to smuggling cash and resources to terrorists? Just like 9/11 was caused by the US government propping up militias to undermine local authority, the October attack was caused by the Israeli government propping up fundamentalists. In both cases the citizens are convenient shields for these politicians and excuses to enact their own selfish political goals.

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          Future IDF soldiers included in that thought terminating cliche about terrorists? Or is it not terrorism when they accompany settlers to the West Bank to kill Palestinians and take their homes and burn their property?

          To not focus on the powerful political coalition ensuring this outcome is to buy into their murderous narrative.

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              So optics mean that much to you. No wonder your perspective is so warped.

              When an IDF agent snipes a journalist and his buddies assault people at their funeral you’re a fucking terrorist. A government sanctioned terrorist to be specific. The kind that murder people in their homes.

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                11 months ago

                By optics you mean humanitarianism? I feel foe the plight of the Palestinian people, but hamas are terrorists and all of them should be locked up for life in a prison. They have no place in human society. That goes for anyone committing crimes against humanity, anywhere.

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                  all of them should be locked up for life in a prison. They have no place in human society. That goes for anyone committing crimes against humanity, anywhere.

                  By this logic, the IDF and Israeli government should be locked up. I agree.

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        11 months ago

        Yes, why didn’t they use their words rather than build up an invasion military to massacre innocent civilians?

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            11 months ago

            There were few efforts of diplomacy since 2000. Both sides refused to talk. A third party should have been asked for but the Palestinian government decided to invest in missiles instead. At this point Israel should just officially annex Gaza and the Palestinian people will be free to live their lives as Israeli citizens. Plenty of Muslims, Christians, Druze and even Atheists all live together in Israel. They just won’t be able to enforce their draconian religious laws on those who don’t want to follow them due to Israel being a free nation.

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              11 months ago

              At this point Israel should just officially annex Gaza

              Israeli diplomacy everyone

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                11 months ago

                I personally think both the Palestinian and Israeli governments should be dissolved. I believe both sides are completely in the wrong.

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              At this point Israel should just officially annex Gaza and the Palestinian people will be free to live their lives as Israeli citizens.

              This is known as the one state solution, and it’s Israel (not Palestinians) who don’t want it.

              There were few efforts of diplomacy since 2000

              I think you misunderstand this conflict. Palestinians would love to actually talk and get this whole thing over with, but it’s like the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The belligerent party is the one who decides whether peace talks happen or not. Otherwise it’s just “We want peace, Israel” “No”, which is what the PNA has been doing for the last 20+ years.

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      11 months ago

      Or just don’t start a war and actually open diplomac relationships to solve problems.

      With… Who exactly? You do know that Israel is the one who created and actively strives to maintain the current status quo, right?