• Tolc@lemmy.world
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    20 hours ago

    It wasnt really. There is no proof that suggests that communism was unpopular in east. Ofcourse all those countries were taken over by liberal nationalists so they will obviously join EU

    Most of those “rebels” were communist themselves, also it wasnt russia but soviet union, call it what it is. It wasnt occupation but an ideological alliance based on socialism, much like the EU is based on bourgeoisie liberalism

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      16 hours ago

      There is no proof that suggests that communism was unpopular in east.

      There absolutely is a ton of evidence, the fact that Russia had to move in several time to protect the Communist regimes should be enough. But also the wide spread use of secret police, to keep the population politically controlled, the absolute oppression of anything politically different from Communism.
      And the extreme rebirth of Christianity that was also oppressed by communism is also a very strong indicator of how unpopular Communism was.
      The way Communism was removed in ALL eastern European countries and in the Soviet states too is an extremely clear indicator.

      Most of those “rebels” were communist themselves

      Obviously they were when that was the only option, but as soon as an alternative was made available they became former communists.

      also it wasnt russia but soviet union

      Russia was the main power in Soviet Union, just like Russia is the main power in the Russian Federation. The other regions don’t really have much say.

      It wasnt occupation but an ideological alliance based on socialism,

      No it was not, In Eastern Europe it was a military occupation by the Soviet Union of German held territories, where the Soviet Union instated communist governments, and the countries became vassal states to the Soviet Union, and the Soviet union interfered if the people of any of the countries tried to change that.

      IDK how anyone can be so blinded by Russian propaganda, and yes I do mean Russian, because the Soviet Union was a Russian controlled empire, just like the Russian federation is today. You don’t even have facts straight that are extremely easy to check up on, you are either a victim of Russian propaganda, or a propagandist yourself.
      What you are claiming is outright delusional.

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        7 hours ago
        1. Not really, even america maintains its military bases worldwide to contain capitalism, its just ideological battle. Secondly what people did after collapse of soviet union has nothing to do with what were their opinion on socialism during its existence. CIA and NATO carried out operation gladio to systematically sabotage communist parties in west, that included funding far right terror groups and assassinating communist leaders. So much for free liberal democracy huh.

        2. Communism should ideally be the only option.

        3. Those communist government had support of their people, its pretty evident if you know how those states functioned. Whole western hemisphere was/is vassal state of America, you should worry about that. Imagine being an anti communist and thinking youre not propagandized lmao, your entire worldview is shaped by american media propaganda. USSR was domninated by ukrainians if you check the leadership roles. It wasnt an empire (and even if it was one, it was good).