The invasion of Afghanistan only later became a UN operation, after the invasion began. And Iraq was the aggressor in the 80s not 2003.
I’m not encouraging, defending, or supporting the Taliban in any way. It was just the first example that came to mind. Hell the Iraq invasion would’ve made a better example as that had nothing to do with the UN.
And I’m not saying there isn’t a divide in Europe on Israel either.
But the countries in Europe for the most part have taken a stance to support Israel (examples being UK, FRANCE, and Germany) while also leading a military operation on a sovereign country.
There are many other examples and more the further back in time you’re willing to go. The French campaign in Algeria for instance.
Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. But you point is true.
Hell the Iraq invasion would’ve made a better example as that had nothing to do with the UN.
I agree, I was extremely mad at my government for falling for the American lies and joining USA in that.
But the countries in Europe for the most part have taken a stance to support Israel (examples being UK, FRANCE, and Germany) while also leading a military operation on a sovereign country.
This is sadly true, and the times I’ve heard that Israel is a democracy, as if that is an excuse. Why would a democracy have more rights to invade other countries? I am all for democracy, and I believe democracy is by far the best system of governance we have. But that doesn’t mean we have a right to break international law, or help other countries when they do so.
There are many other examples and more the further back in time you’re willing to go.
That is consistent with my point that Europe has generally improved to respect the rights of other countries more. Israel is a sore spot in that regard, other examples since WW2 were typically driven by USA, like instating the Shah in Iran and destroy their democracy. There is no reasonable basis for the way the west has treated Iran after they rebelled against the Shah. Except the insane immorality of having an official government death warrant on Salman Rushdie. But that has never been an argument against any of the sanctions or threats against Iran.
But that was never in any way used as an argument against Iraq, only the Kuwait invasion was. The invasion of Iran was politically irrelevant in the west.
I do concede the point that they’ve improved. Though there do remain other examples such as Lybia, Saudi campaign support against Yemen, and how the French have conducted themselves in the Sahel
Europe has nothing to do with Yemen on either side. I also don’t see why Libya is relevant, they’ve been a fucked up country for decades internally, with civil war and crazy leaders like Gaddafi. Sahel is a huge belt in Africa, and I have no idea what you mean with France behaving badly there lately?
That’s just wrong, Libya was in a civil war as I described, and Europe tried to go in to stabilize the situation. Inability to solve the problem of another country has nothing to do with colonialism or not respecting the sovereignty of that country. It was a humanitarian crisis that Europe tried to end.
This is not ignorance on my part, I even mentioned this situation, it is a complete abuse of a crisis to make a part that tried to help look bad.
Shame on you. 😡
We were allies of Gaddafi, we broke our pact, attacked him and allowed his murder.
He may not have been the best ruler, but the country was stable. Look at Libya now and tell me whether they are doing better than before.
They were not in civil war; they had protests and the government had strongly repressed the protests killing people. Protestants formed and uprising and there intervened EU countries.
This was not against international law, but we did attack an ally of ours, which does not speak very well about the reliability of European countries.
The invasion of Afghanistan only later became a UN operation, after the invasion began. And Iraq was the aggressor in the 80s not 2003.
I’m not encouraging, defending, or supporting the Taliban in any way. It was just the first example that came to mind. Hell the Iraq invasion would’ve made a better example as that had nothing to do with the UN.
And I’m not saying there isn’t a divide in Europe on Israel either.
But the countries in Europe for the most part have taken a stance to support Israel (examples being UK, FRANCE, and Germany) while also leading a military operation on a sovereign country.
There are many other examples and more the further back in time you’re willing to go. The French campaign in Algeria for instance.
Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. But you point is true.
I agree, I was extremely mad at my government for falling for the American lies and joining USA in that.
This is sadly true, and the times I’ve heard that Israel is a democracy, as if that is an excuse. Why would a democracy have more rights to invade other countries? I am all for democracy, and I believe democracy is by far the best system of governance we have. But that doesn’t mean we have a right to break international law, or help other countries when they do so.
That is consistent with my point that Europe has generally improved to respect the rights of other countries more. Israel is a sore spot in that regard, other examples since WW2 were typically driven by USA, like instating the Shah in Iran and destroy their democracy. There is no reasonable basis for the way the west has treated Iran after they rebelled against the Shah. Except the insane immorality of having an official government death warrant on Salman Rushdie. But that has never been an argument against any of the sanctions or threats against Iran.
Iraq attacked Iran at the USA’s behest in 1980
But that was never in any way used as an argument against Iraq, only the Kuwait invasion was. The invasion of Iran was politically irrelevant in the west.
Okay… So what do you think of lndia as a democracy ??🤔🤔
I do concede the point that they’ve improved. Though there do remain other examples such as Lybia, Saudi campaign support against Yemen, and how the French have conducted themselves in the Sahel
Europe has nothing to do with Yemen on either side. I also don’t see why Libya is relevant, they’ve been a fucked up country for decades internally, with civil war and crazy leaders like Gaddafi. Sahel is a huge belt in Africa, and I have no idea what you mean with France behaving badly there lately?
Sorry but here you lost me completely?!
Ignorance doesn’t mean this didn’t happen
Yemen Libya Sahel
That’s just wrong, Libya was in a civil war as I described, and Europe tried to go in to stabilize the situation. Inability to solve the problem of another country has nothing to do with colonialism or not respecting the sovereignty of that country. It was a humanitarian crisis that Europe tried to end.
This is not ignorance on my part, I even mentioned this situation, it is a complete abuse of a crisis to make a part that tried to help look bad.
Shame on you. 😡
We were allies of Gaddafi, we broke our pact, attacked him and allowed his murder. He may not have been the best ruler, but the country was stable. Look at Libya now and tell me whether they are doing better than before.
They were not in civil war; they had protests and the government had strongly repressed the protests killing people. Protestants formed and uprising and there intervened EU countries.
This was not against international law, but we did attack an ally of ours, which does not speak very well about the reliability of European countries.
Not in 2011 it wasn’t. And the assassination of Gadaffi was 100% on USA.