• jet@hackertalks.com
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    What language would you use to describe removing an ethnicity from an area, so that it may be ethnically pure for a different ethnicity?

    Ethnic purification?

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          I suggest not copying Israel’s stupid definitions for anything

          Genocide: murdering everyone of a certain ethnicity

          Ethnic cleansing: removing everyone of a certain ethnicity from an area

          Of course both can go hand in hand. Threatening murder, often by setting some prolific examples, is a way to convince people to leave.

          There’s a difference between WW2 nazi’s checking the Spanish border making sure jews trying to escape are sent back to the extermination camps, and zionist settlers cutting down orchards and shooting a few farmers to scare them off.

          What’s happening in the West Bank is extremely deplorable but it’s no different from what’s happening in, for example, Western Sahara or Nagorno Kharabag

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            Wikipedia Wikipedia 2 UN Human rights watch Wiktionary

            I’m sorry you have a fight with the English language, but this term is well defined. It is defined in a legal sense, by both people who have suffered from genocide, and people who want to prevent genocide. Including the government of Israel which is committing a genocide, by their own definition, against the people of Palestine.

            If you want to argue that English should be different, Wikipedia talks, and wikitionary talk pages are good places to do it. You could also reach out to your local State department, and petition them to get the definition of genocide changed.

            We here on Lemmy cannot resolve your dispute with the English language, sorry

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              I already know people like to broaden the term (and ignore the - cide) to serve their own needs. But alas, I’m here to educate, not follow.

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                Please educate the 1948 UN delegates.

                Your fight is with the dictionary, not with me

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                  Both the dictionary and the UN already agree with me

                  noun the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

                  https://www.dictionary.com/browse/genocide

                  To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group.

                  https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

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                    Please see the genocide scholar article linked elsewhere in this discussion for the real argument as to why the Israeli government actions constitute genocide

                    Ethnic cleansing is component of genocide

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                    It’s funny but everything here is stuff Israel already did. Like in my head I’m saying, “check” and moving to the next one.

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            Genocide: murdering everyone of a certain ethnicity

            Nope, “Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part”, which is the case with Israel.

            Ethnic cleansing: removing everyone of a certain ethnicity from an area

            Nope, nothing says you have to displace everyone, just that you attempt it and have shown on numerous occasions that you intend to do it (which is the case with Israel)

            You can say whatever you want, but making up new definitions (or maybe “oversimplified” definitions) of a thing is not a good way to have a discussion.