You’re proving my point. The trans community isn’t doing itself any favours by saying “the is a day where everyone who isn’t trans needs to shut the fuck up.”
OK, let me get more blunt: Attacking anyone who isn’t exactly like you is authoritarianism. How’s that been working out for your cause? Posting on a site with cis members inherently invites them into the conversation, and attacking them for being “other” is exactly the right way to lose support.
How am I doing so? Please, let me know so that I can avoid doing so in the future. “Fucking pathetic” only indicates that you did not like what I said, not any alternative worldview other than “you’re cis, and therefore the enemy.”
I think there’s a misunderstanding about the intent here. Asking for space on TDoV isn’t meant as an attack, but as a boundary. Support shouldn’t be conditional on a community being perfectly polite while they’re asking to be heard. Telling a marginalized group they aren’t doing themselves any favors by setting boundaries on their own visibility day feels more like a lecture than allyship.
That’s a false equivalent, Black History Month is a full month, TDoV is one day.
No one is suggesting a total ban on speech. We’re pointing out the difference between participating in a conversation and directing it. The goal of a day like TDoV is for trans people to be the subject of the conversation, rather than the audience for someone else’s memories.
You’re still saying your supporters have no right to a voice unless they’re exactly like you. That is a very slippery slope, since, ostensibly, the point of a day of awareness is to promote conversation. That’s exactly the sort of argument people make to oppose trans rights in the first place.
I’m saying that telling anyone cis to shut the fuck up is hurting your cause instead of boosting visibility. You can’t have both, which is tautological, so you’re actively attacking people you support you for having the audacity to join the conversation. This is not how movements gain traction.
You’re proving my point. The trans community isn’t doing itself any favours by saying “the is a day where everyone who isn’t trans needs to shut the fuck up.”
Your anecdotes are cute but I think you’re kinda missing the point where it’s very explicitly about trans voices.
With friends like you who needs enemies?
OK, let me get more blunt: Attacking anyone who isn’t exactly like you is authoritarianism. How’s that been working out for your cause? Posting on a site with cis members inherently invites them into the conversation, and attacking them for being “other” is exactly the right way to lose support.
Read what I said again, slower, and ask yourself why asking for a space for our voices to be heard feels like an attack to you.
I’m sure you could be more condescending. Give it a go!
I didn’t silence you! I participated in the conversation and was told I wasn’t qualified to speak. This is middle school bullshit.
🥺 okay then buddy, grow up?
NO U
Is that really your thesis?
No my thesis is you’re playing the victim card and it’s fucking pathetic.
How am I doing so? Please, let me know so that I can avoid doing so in the future. “Fucking pathetic” only indicates that you did not like what I said, not any alternative worldview other than “you’re cis, and therefore the enemy.”
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I think there’s a misunderstanding about the intent here. Asking for space on TDoV isn’t meant as an attack, but as a boundary. Support shouldn’t be conditional on a community being perfectly polite while they’re asking to be heard. Telling a marginalized group they aren’t doing themselves any favors by setting boundaries on their own visibility day feels more like a lecture than allyship.
Siiiiiiiiiiiigh
Why are the cis like this
By this logic, anyone who isn’t Black shouldn’t talk for all of Black History Month. It’s an absurd expectation.
That’s a false equivalent, Black History Month is a full month, TDoV is one day.
No one is suggesting a total ban on speech. We’re pointing out the difference between participating in a conversation and directing it. The goal of a day like TDoV is for trans people to be the subject of the conversation, rather than the audience for someone else’s memories.
You’re still saying your supporters have no right to a voice unless they’re exactly like you. That is a very slippery slope, since, ostensibly, the point of a day of awareness is to promote conversation. That’s exactly the sort of argument people make to oppose trans rights in the first place.
I didn’t say that.
Then what are you saying? Because from my perspective, you’re trying to proclaim activism without having taken Activism 098.
First day on beehaw as a trans woman. Sure do feel welcome here, thank you Powderhorn.
Wtf? Are you trying to berate us how to fight for our rights now?
I’m saying that telling anyone cis to shut the fuck up is hurting your cause instead of boosting visibility. You can’t have both, which is tautological, so you’re actively attacking people you support you for having the audacity to join the conversation. This is not how movements gain traction.