Refusing to comply could lead to up to one year in jail and a hefty fine, while providing false or misleading information carries up to three years in prison

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    The UK has been doing that since '01 but only under the so-called “terrorism” act passed by notorious terrorist war criminal and Larry Ellison’s bestie, Tony Blair who’s currently so far inside him, his rectum’s bleeding. Essentially the police can arrest you under no reasonable grounds, keep you detained indefinitely and you lose your right to private legal counsel (you’re not allowed to speak to your solicitor/lawyer in private) and your right to silence, if you refuse to answer ANY questions you’ll automatically be charged with TERRORISM and be branded a terrorist from then on, and you legally have to unlock any personal devices on your person under the exact same threat, refusal will be met with a terrorism charge.

    It’s literally almost exclusively used in a politically motivated manner and against political dissidents mostly at border checks. It was used against Palestine Action protesters before their ban was overturned by the High Court and Worker’s Party leader George Galloway and his wife when he was arrested by armed counter-terror police at Gatwick sending them into exile (love him or hate him or whatever you think of him, doesn’t matter really - he’s definitely got some “unique” views - that’s obviously a disgusting, Orwellian and draconian form of political persecution to say the least)

    The police don’t need any good reason and more often than not the order comes directly from the govt. The only reason it doesn’t violate the Human Rights Act or European Convention on Human Rights is because it invokes the very vague “national security” exemption which is almost always “this is a matter of national security, trust me bro” and when they get asked for the justification of WHY it’s so-called national security related they always say they can’t disclose the justification because that’s very conveniently to do with “national security” as well.

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    China has long passed the point of no return towards a dystopian authoritarian panopticon. I just don’t see how they can get out of it at this point. It’s permanent unless destroyed from the outside. WW3 is their only long term hope. What a nightmare.

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      The west is going the same direction. Especially the UK. In fact, I think deep down in classified organisations, there are a lot of similarities with China. But a difference is that the UK isn’t willing to admit it, while China proudly boasts about it.

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    Seems like the highly praised Hong Kong’s peaceful protests yielded to absolutely nothing.

    • Actually, a violent riot / attempted revolution would not have made things any better. Would’ve lead to a much worse crackdown. Much more deaths.

      Its just impossible to win against the PLA as a bunch of civillians without military training…

      And you won’t ever get western countries to help… you have zero outside military willing to intervene…

      Seriously, you think waving a bunch of US or UK flags is gonna get them to send aircraft carriers and do airstrikes against the PLA? No lmfao…

      This is not the Ukraine situation… Ukraine has a military built up… Hong Kong does not have it’s own military.

      This isn’t Taiwan… Taiwan has its own military, and the PLA never stepped foot on Taiwan; in contrast, the PLA is already inside Hong Kong… Hong Kong government is already controlled by Beijing… (it’s called a devolved government)

      Mainlanders already have low sympathy towards Hong Kongers, violence only promotes anti-HongKong sentinments amongst Mainlanders

      Mainland has a MUCH BIGGER population…

      You really need to sway Mainlanders on your side.

      Like… my point is… at this moment “Free Hong Kong” is not gonna work, you need a “Free China” movement…

      Hong Kong can never be free until CCP falls.

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        Give me liberty or I guess I have to go home ir something

        Very inspirational

        • Mainlanders and Hong Kongers have the same oppressors, really should be working together, not be fighting each other.

          You’re thinking too small. You’re talking about throwing molotovs at the popo… like… sure okay… not sure how that’ll help…

          You really need to be taking it to Beijing.

          Get Xi deposed.

          Death to Xi Jinping.

          You have the same mentality as the “left vs right” culture war type of people… when the real enemy is at the top.

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      I think they made the situation worse. The original protests was over an extradition bill, which they eventually agreed to drop. But then the demands kept getting higher and higher to the point it became separatism. I think they shot themselves in their own foot if they seriously thought China would allow separatism to happen

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          It was going to happen eventually regardless. HKSAR has an expiry date

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          In before tankies show up crying that Chinese cultural imperialism is okay because “it’s anti-west.”

          Nevermind that they’re committing the same homogenizing colonization of thousand+ year-old cultures that tankies criticize the west for.

          Yes, we know, the US sucks. So does the PRC.