Norway’s prime minister says the Israeli army’s response to the deadly Hamas attack that killed 1,400 people and saw over 230 abducted by terrorists has been disproportionate, and denounces a “catastrophic” humanitarian situation in Gaza.

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    Grow older and push for change? Palestinians have been growing older and pushing for change since 1948. Have you seen how the IDF responds when they have had mass protests? A massive key for change will be when tax dollars in the US stop funding IDF bombing. And in the meantime, the alleged ‘command and control infrastructure’ that was destroyed was likely a tower block holding dozens of families who are now dead or have no home.

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      Palestinians have been growing older and pushing for change since 1948

      The average age in Gaza is 18 years old. So yes, they can grow older and hopefully the international community will withhold aid dollars until regular elections are restored in the region.

      Have you seen how the IDF responds when they have had mass protests?

      When’s the last time they had mass protests against their own government?

      A massive key for change will be when tax dollars in the US stop funding IDF bombing.

      Unfortunately that will likely be counter productive if the goal is minimizing casualties. What the IDF is doing could be done significantly cheaper with artillery strikes instead of smart bombs. It just requires more wide spread bombing, more acceptance of civillian casualties and less regard for civilian infrastructure and a result that looks like Bakhmut.

      And without funding for things like the Iron Dome, Israel would have been forced to re-invade and partition Gaza similar to the West Bank years ago and would have likely restarted settlements and colonization efforts there.

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        Dude the average age is 18 because they keep dying. They aren’t getting older. They’re getting dead. Israel keeps killing them through starvation, lack of medical access, and shooting them for any reason they can think of.

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          The Demographics don’t back that up. It seems more like those who can emigrate away from the Strip as soon as they can and those who stay have had an incredibly high birth rate. That’s why the strip has almost doubled in population since 2000.

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            That’s Wikipedia. And with a reported death rate around 600 per 100,000 they’re either the healthiest country in the world or these numbers are highly suspect.

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              It could be that way, but the historical numbers are from the PCBS they could be wrong systemically; but I don’t know of a better source.

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                It still smells like a massive undercount. If you gave me that number for a Western country it would be ridiculous too. It’s just not a realistic number.

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                  It seems more like if the number had agreed with your assertion instead of refuted it you’d have accepted the source as generally accurate.

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                    I can’t offer you any proof because this is the Internet but I just really don’t like bad data. It gets used for rhetoric all the time and it’s exhausting to track down. In this case though, for reference, a normal deaths per 100k in a well supplied, peaceful, western country, is 800 to 900. To put forward these numbers in a poorly supplied middle eastern warzone is ridiculous.

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                  Do you have a better source, or an explanation for why this agency would lie?