Francis was good as well. These are the first good popes in, well maybe forever I am no expert but not familiar with any popes that were good before. They aren’t seemingly able to do anything big with it yet sadly. The catholic church in the US is mostly owned by the religious right still. Betraying Christ’s mission on earth.
Opposition to the genocide in Palestinian and the treatment of immigrants in the United States that has the potential to turn into a genocide is massively influential considering the churches reach and the powerful corrupt forces at play here
It is massively influential, it does not seem to be taking precedence over the massively influential right wing forces controlling most of American Catholicism leadership anyway. I say right wing, that is really kind of labeling it. This right and left is meaningless when we aren’t measuring from a real place in reality. They are in service to malign interests, some of the most wealthy interests in the country.
Evangelicals are like 30% of the Republican base as well. And I guess that is not even counting like Baptists and other related ones. I’m not sure if Calvinists count as Evangelical. But yes, their worldview is so fucked, they want bad shit to happen, especially in the Middle East in israel, to bring on the rapture which will end the world in lakes of blood and Fire.
I’m not really religious but come from a southern Methodist and Catholic background on the two sides and from what I understand these evangelicals have 0 chance of ascending to heaven because not only do they fully and completely reject the teachings of Jesus they rabidly support a man who very closely resembles the Antichrist in their own book. Unfortunately even in a minority they have big money backing them
But I think that what we’re really dealing with here is religious extremism and fundamentalism is bad in any form and destructive as hell when mixed with settler colonialist ideology
It’s always fascinating to me to think that the popes most likely do not believe that anything in their religion is actually true, and are only playing along with it because they either want the power associated, or in the case of this one seemingly, think that it’s an effective way of wrangling the opinions of the idiot masses. It really must be a very interesting mentality they have. A bit like a noble sacrifice in some ways, if weren’t for the huge luxuries and power associated with it of course.
I think there’s plenty of people who participate in churches (of any flavor) without necessarily buying in to the spiritual aspects. The social aspect of churches provides people with all sorts of benefits.
This guy has devoted his life to the church, with an infinitesimally small chance of rising high enough for it to be “an effective way of wrangling the opinions of the idiot masses” so it seems unlikely that he doesn’t believe any of it.
One of in not the best people morally speaking I’ve ever met is pretty religious. I’ve not gotten into detailed discussion with her about the nuances of it because I have no faith and I don’t really want to fuck with whatever she has going on because like I said she is a wonderful human being but she points her religion as the source of her values. I’ve never seen her act with malice or dishonesty towards anyone, even people being ignorant to her where it would have been completely justified. She also doesn’t preach or expect anyone else to follow her beliefs either which is nice.
The bar is pretty low for wold leaders right now so not supporting genocide and not supporting the kidnapping of immigrants is above and beyond these days unfortunately
I actually respect this pope quite a bit. He’s been doing a good job.
Francis was good as well. These are the first good popes in, well maybe forever I am no expert but not familiar with any popes that were good before. They aren’t seemingly able to do anything big with it yet sadly. The catholic church in the US is mostly owned by the religious right still. Betraying Christ’s mission on earth.
Opposition to the genocide in Palestinian and the treatment of immigrants in the United States that has the potential to turn into a genocide is massively influential considering the churches reach and the powerful corrupt forces at play here
It is massively influential, it does not seem to be taking precedence over the massively influential right wing forces controlling most of American Catholicism leadership anyway. I say right wing, that is really kind of labeling it. This right and left is meaningless when we aren’t measuring from a real place in reality. They are in service to malign interests, some of the most wealthy interests in the country.
Unfortunately , Christian evangelicals believe in Zionism because they believe that it will bring the end times and they want that.
Evangelicals are like 30% of the Republican base as well. And I guess that is not even counting like Baptists and other related ones. I’m not sure if Calvinists count as Evangelical. But yes, their worldview is so fucked, they want bad shit to happen, especially in the Middle East in israel, to bring on the rapture which will end the world in lakes of blood and Fire.
I’m not really religious but come from a southern Methodist and Catholic background on the two sides and from what I understand these evangelicals have 0 chance of ascending to heaven because not only do they fully and completely reject the teachings of Jesus they rabidly support a man who very closely resembles the Antichrist in their own book. Unfortunately even in a minority they have big money backing them
But I think that what we’re really dealing with here is religious extremism and fundamentalism is bad in any form and destructive as hell when mixed with settler colonialist ideology
It’s always fascinating to me to think that the popes most likely do not believe that anything in their religion is actually true, and are only playing along with it because they either want the power associated, or in the case of this one seemingly, think that it’s an effective way of wrangling the opinions of the idiot masses. It really must be a very interesting mentality they have. A bit like a noble sacrifice in some ways, if weren’t for the huge luxuries and power associated with it of course.
I think there’s plenty of people who participate in churches (of any flavor) without necessarily buying in to the spiritual aspects. The social aspect of churches provides people with all sorts of benefits.
This guy has devoted his life to the church, with an infinitesimally small chance of rising high enough for it to be “an effective way of wrangling the opinions of the idiot masses” so it seems unlikely that he doesn’t believe any of it.
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One of in not the best people morally speaking I’ve ever met is pretty religious. I’ve not gotten into detailed discussion with her about the nuances of it because I have no faith and I don’t really want to fuck with whatever she has going on because like I said she is a wonderful human being but she points her religion as the source of her values. I’ve never seen her act with malice or dishonesty towards anyone, even people being ignorant to her where it would have been completely justified. She also doesn’t preach or expect anyone else to follow her beliefs either which is nice.
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Is she a Quaker? They always seem to be on the right side of history.
Yeah just to be clear I wasn’t saying that he is in it for luxuries and power
You’re right, what you think of the Pope is a fantasy in your mind, reality is very mich different
What an articulate and coherent point you’ve made!
Don’t look too deep then.
The bar is pretty low for wold leaders right now so not supporting genocide and not supporting the kidnapping of immigrants is above and beyond these days unfortunately