so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party?
you’re just going to end up w a bernie, aoc, omar, etc. situation where they’re not given enough control to change anything the democratic party’s priorities; but trotted out like show ponys to convince progressives to vote for the democrats anyways.
People like Bernie and AOC are not progressive. They’re nothing more than sheep dogs for the party to keep people locked in the party with false promises of eventually having a seat at the table. Going back to 1984 Democrats have always had a sheepdog to keep voters herded up like sheep.
People need to get out of the mindset of reform. We plainly seen that reform over the last hundred years does not work. Eugene Debs talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 100 years ago. WEB DuBois talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 60 years ago. They believe that if they change enough cogs within the machine, the machine will operate differently. It’s time to scrap the machine
Mamdani’s a good proof of concept. The party brought everything down it could to ratfuck him, before and after the primaries, and failed. We just had a progressive win in New Jersey. Another in Fort Worth.
Decisively in all cases.
That last one shows the centrist “we need to run centrists to win in conservative districts” line to be so much bullshit.
Which is why I referred specifically to a wing of the democratic party and not the whole thing.
the problem is that they’re not in control of the democratic party; the capitulators are.
Agree entirely.
which means that they will not give progressives control of the party.
Also agree. If progressives are to have a party, centrists must be replaced with progressives.
so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party?
you’re just going to end up w a bernie, aoc, omar, etc. situation where they’re not given enough control to change anything the democratic party’s priorities; but trotted out like show ponys to convince progressives to vote for the democrats anyways.
People like Bernie and AOC are not progressive. They’re nothing more than sheep dogs for the party to keep people locked in the party with false promises of eventually having a seat at the table. Going back to 1984 Democrats have always had a sheepdog to keep voters herded up like sheep.
People need to get out of the mindset of reform. We plainly seen that reform over the last hundred years does not work. Eugene Debs talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 100 years ago. WEB DuBois talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 60 years ago. They believe that if they change enough cogs within the machine, the machine will operate differently. It’s time to scrap the machine
thoroughly agreed and that’s what i’m getting at; voting for “progressive” democrats won’t get us anywhere.
Because the centrist wing has lost all credibility and we’re seeing their power to block progressives waning.
do you have any evidence for this?
Mamdani’s a good proof of concept. The party brought everything down it could to ratfuck him, before and after the primaries, and failed. We just had a progressive win in New Jersey. Another in Fort Worth.
Decisively in all cases.
That last one shows the centrist “we need to run centrists to win in conservative districts” line to be so much bullshit.
Ah, I misunderstood. My apologies, it sounds like we agree then.