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    US: curbs semiconductor exports to China

    Europe: curbs lithography machine exports to China

    China: curbs drone exports to Europe

    Europe is entering the “find out” phase of “fuck around and find out.” This is what shoving a knife into the back of globalization in the name of national security gets you…

    Not that China’s semiconductor competence would have affected European security given that China has neither the means nor the desire to project power outside of their immediate vicinity.

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      Oh they very much have that desire. To think China has no ambitions to be the next world leader and to exert their power and form of government to other countries is delusional.

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        [citation needed]

        Being a world leader is expensive. Both the US and USSR have showed that. It’s also contrary to Chinese doctrine stretching back centuries.

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        People in the imperial core can not imagine anything outside of imperialism. They’re like fish; they don’t even know they’re wet lol

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            It’s actually really sad how cynical you are. You smugly look down on anyone who has hope in anything. China must be just as bad as the US because nothing ever gets better.

            I’m so sorry.

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              Do you really look at the totalitarian government in China and say „yeah, that is something I want for my country“? Then I really am sorry for you too.

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                No, I look at their trajectory and recognize them as a progressive force.

                They already live longer than people in my country. What’s next?

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                  They may be a progressive force (as in a driving force in global politics / dynamics) but that does not mean it has to be positive. And it‘s not cynical if you look at the massive human rights violation, the treatment of opposition or ethical minorities in China. I do not want any of that. But if you want to trade it for a few years of your life go for it.

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                    And it‘s not cynical if you look at the massive human rights violation, the treatment of opposition or ethical minorities in China. I do not want any of that

                    Well I live in America, and we kinda already have all of that. In fact, our prison populations are even bigger and our cops kill more people.

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      The trade war US and EU are pushing for seems like a stupid attempt to stop China from developing.
      It’s very petty of them because they can’t compete fairly and have to resort to such BS, and I don’t think it’s going to work.

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        There is not such thing as “fair competition,” especially when it’s a defense industry.

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          I was talking about trade restrictions they put on chips, EVs, etc., not the defense industry.

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      China is exertng their economic power in Africa nation building all the time. Their nuclear arms stockpile is fastest growing. China make a habit of stealing IP so much that companies stopped sharing prottypes for years as they would be taken at the border for security checks and returned with the deal myateriously disappearing from the “private” company

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        China is exertng their economic power in Africa nation building all the time.

        Exerting? How? Are they threatening sanctions like the US? Are they forcing “structural reforms” on them like the IMF?

        Their nuclear arms stockpile is fastest growing.

        Says who? Last time I checked the US stockpile is more than 10x larger still.

        China make a habit of stealing IP so much […]

        Does this comment have a point or are you just collecting random brainworms?

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        “Stealing IP” isn’t real. The idea that you can own an idea is a legal fiction we made up, we shouldn’t be surprised when other countries don’t respect our imaginary property.

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          While I agree that Imaginary Property shouldn’t be real, in our capitalist hellhole it is indeed real and it has as assigned value to people that are inside that capitalist hellhole.

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            And China, as they try to build socialism, refuses to respect imaginary property.

            All I can to is wish them luck. Fuck IP. Steal it all, unlimited theft on the imaginary economy.

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      Europe and the US can absolutely create and support the industry required to make as many drones needed, but defense contractors make more money if they can export it to china to save on costs and restrict supply to increase profit, so of course that is what happens.

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      “If I downvote the opinions I don’t like that means they stop being true!”

      Lemmy really is just like Reddit

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        Downvote is the default for me since most people don’t say anything of value.

        I didn’t downvote him, but anyone who says “fuck around and find out” usually isn’t contributing much.

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          They’re pointing out why this is happening!

          The West has tried to cripple China’s tech industry and so now the Chinese tech they rely on for things like the war in Ukraine isn’t available. That’s an obvious conclusion but it’s still necessary for people to understand why things happen the way they do.