during war games one of australia’s collins class submarines (diesel electric, quite dated at this point) managed to “kill” a los angeles class nuclear submarine (several times over?) when the US sub was also aided by 2 destroyers
I can’t read the article, but I remember reading about this on reddit a long time ago, and I think the general consensus was that while the diesel sub might’ve been dated, it was quieter and thus the US sub had fewer instruments it could rely on for detection.
Goes to show that sometimes there’s no objective better tool, but different tools excel at different jobs.
Oh yeah a Swedish sub did a similar thing to the largest US aircraft carrier, iirc. Simulated torpedos ofc but they’re as good as real ones in terms of “we got you”
kinda reminds me of this: https://www.theage.com.au/national/collins-sub-shines-in-us-war-game-20021013-gduomk.html
during war games one of australia’s collins class submarines (diesel electric, quite dated at this point) managed to “kill” a los angeles class nuclear submarine (several times over?) when the US sub was also aided by 2 destroyers
I can’t read the article, but I remember reading about this on reddit a long time ago, and I think the general consensus was that while the diesel sub might’ve been dated, it was quieter and thus the US sub had fewer instruments it could rely on for detection.
Goes to show that sometimes there’s no objective better tool, but different tools excel at different jobs.
Oh yeah a Swedish sub did a similar thing to the largest US aircraft carrier, iirc. Simulated torpedos ofc but they’re as good as real ones in terms of “we got you”
Yup.
https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/how-a-100-million-swedish-submarine-sank-a-6-billion-navy-supercarrier/
100-mil gotland class sub “sank” a 6.2 billion dollar aircraft carrier.
We Finns haven’t been allowed to have subs for a while, and I’m army, so I don’t know much about those, but it’s the same principle yeah.
The American strategy overlooks certain things sometimes. Trusts too much on technology and not enough on training.