Yesterday I had argument with Cowbee about this here. This seems like hijack of word “base” to support their propaganda like many others Words Which Defy Dictionaries. Base, is always ideology. Sure their so called “base” influence upper ones, but it is not the base. Base is something core, without it the thing cannot function. can human live without ideology? Without right or wrong?

It make sense to base our self on other ideologies but not on ideology of means of production or ownership first.

If you think this is misunderstanding, please explain your argument in simple language without using communist jargons if possible.

I suspect hardcore communists doesn’t want to admit flaws instead they blow up dust of words to cover. I also suspect that i can be wrong or half understood the argument or using wrong definition of terms, that’s why i am posting here

  • Kizzie@thelemmy.clubOP
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    Communists are why we have unions, minimum wage, universal healthcare, welfare, safety nets, 5-day work week

    You are saying this like it is very good thing, without any defects. When Society is too used to these safety laws. What do you can do in emergency? You will say it is our birth right, as consequence you will suffer decrease in performance, which may can result in defeat in war. By which your whole society including these benefits will collapse.

    Just my guess, because of minimum wage, your country probably is importing immigrants & immigrants students in order to make them work illegally, as cheap labor, natives are not willing to work for cheap, your businesses are going to foreign countries for cheap labor. The whole thing could have been prevented if there would not been strong minimum wage laws. As result work conditions would have suffered but as group you could have increased performance. but probably, in your country, you have no trust in leaders, political parties and organizations. Who would rather get torture than to betray their people. Probably there are not many, Which is result of inferior culture. That’s why you think you always need all these restrains & you assume powerful always take advantage. Or maybe your view of complete lack of hurt is blinding you the damage of all this.

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      Lol I see. Don’t right-wing propaganda shills these days have access to DeepL or something? Your grammar is fucking awful.

      Just for the record for lurkers ITT: I am an immigrant and I came to ze west originally on a student visa, no one “imported” me, finding a job was nigh impossible because no we don’t work illegally because the risk of losing a visa is very high and there are strict limits on jobs you can do, when and how long, including both by profession and by income level, often far above median and only if the corpo has the license and paperwork which all cost fuckloads for them, and finding a job out of that limited pool as a fresh grad was hell on earth.

      The only reason I could even get to that stage was because my parents were fairly well off and across the 7 or so years before I became independent the costs of immigrating were in the hundreds of thousands on them. I had to leave the nest at 13.

      When I started working I had to pay double tax for healthcare through visa fees first, then off my income tax as normal, and it took 13 years to get a permanent residence permit on the “10-year route” due to other hidden requirements during which I lived in permanent fear of deportation, the only reason I did it was genuine fear of persecution in my country of origin for being LGBT due to the fascist government there.

      I’m sharing this here because the general public’s idea of immigration is often well - nuts, and completely out of touch with reality of immigrants, so hopefully now if you didn’t know, you know better.

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        Not the person you replied to. Just want to share:


        I wasn’t born in the US, I came to the US legally and I have citizenship now. I still feel afraid of being denaturalized and deported under this current regime.

        It really sucks that my two plausible choices are Authoritarian State-Capitalist PRC, and the other other choice, USA, has now become a Hyrbid Regime undergoing autocratization. Wish I could go to the EU but its unrealistic. There’s just so frequent racism/xenophobia in the US, but I also despise PRC, since people are even more conservative than here in the US. Can’t think of any place that truly feels “home”, I have this feeling of being “unwelcomed” anywhere I go.

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          The world is just an unwelcoming place right now, perhaps always has been. Worst comes to worst maybe we can hack it somewhere remote heh