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No I didn’t misunderstand you . What I was trying to say was that even your slight optimism was misplaced :p no hope no future with us invasions ^^ shit always goes south (especially if you’ve been fcking with em for decades then decide to invade ) doomer for life ^^ but they have oil and better infrastructure since forever compared to Afghanistan they are still a far more developed nation with a functioning economy give or take. Anyways it was nice talking to you under this " Omg did you know hamas is bad ? says the israeli intelligence thread " yes yes we know and we condemn

Well the point I am trying to emphasize is the state structure you keep mentioning was already an oppressive subjugation machine created with “to an extent” cia support, favoring certain groups and erasing the culture language and needs of all of the rest (mostly non arabs or not the right kind of arabs) . Because before that there was General Qasim and he wanted to side with social-democrats and the iraqi communist party. That is way he was assassinated in 63 by the ba’athist with cia and egyptian support, back then ba’athist were the more acceptable option for the west and then in 79 Saddam took over did the ba’ath party purge which took the country to full on authoritarianism and severed ties between iraq and syria ( making them both more susceptible to outside intrusions ). There wasn’t an identity , just a lot of massacres and people who are afraid of speaking out or acting out ( or their villages got bulldozed gassed.) . Saddam was the state structure it wasn’t like some organic thing existed through a shared nationalist identity.

there are many more tribes languages and groups in iraq though. That is why they are pretty federated as well and usa only controls and occupies certain areas not all of it today. the westerners only know about kurds mostly and don’t really understand the differences between other groups ( kurds I think were mentioned heavily in your media during the 80s and again in 2010s ( also they occupy some of the oil rich areas )Not everyone ( yes I know you said almost ) speak the same language or share the same identitity or even the same arabic dialect . From turkmens ( 5-6 mio) to assyrians to the yezids shabaks marsh arabs (7-8 mio) to different sub tribes of same tribes etc… etc… etc. and even more arab groups with totally different world views and politics that come from vastly different regions. so that ALMOST is a big overstatement in terms of how different iraqis are + the fact that you basically gave the country to the iranian backed political groups which forms the backbone of a lot of political parties - security forces and businesses clashing with the rest of the very diverse iraqi society whether shia or sunni.

“local” is a relative word their “local” fighters were generally ppl from north who didn’t even speak pashto who were looking for a paycheck by joining the army , and were seen as foreign usa backed fighters themselves. .The english translators army hired required translators themselves in a lot of the rural areas because they didn’t speak pashto just like the westerners. . Thats why they folded and lost very easily once us support ended. They had very few truly “local” fighting force that were from the areas they were supposed to defend. fatah vs hamas conflict inside gaza is a bit more complicated than just language geogrpaphical and cultural barriers and is still ongoing despite peoples opposition to hamas and the current situation.

I mean they are an oppressive police state just like israel ofc they spy on their own residents and prolly share the info with IDF in case they wanna get rid of someone they don’t agree with or they’d be overthrown long ago if it wasn’t for their authoritarianism and the tacit support/indifference from the israeli forces .Not all the journalist and dissidents that are being targeted/killed are done solely by israeli intel they are being fed that info from various sources including hamas. It would be a shocker if they aren’t working together and sharing intel whenever it suits them to do so. Just like usa and their frenemies in Iraq or Afghanistan Ukraine or wherever they are operating. the western media will take this and turn it into a one sided hamas bad article without even mentioning israels complicit enabling policies.

They didn’t have to . elon would prolly declare himself the founder on his own and then sue the company and the board of directors if they disagreed with him

my own personal website from highschool . I update it sometimes it was made using frontpage 2003