cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/14038
Off the top of my head the ones I like most are from Mexico, Japan, the UK, Russia, and some of the Euro coins. Is there a source where I could just browse the various coins in regular circulation in the world? I started searching on Google, but I got a bunch of results for weird novelty coins from Somalia.
Various countries have coins with holes through them. It may seem mundane to the residents living there, but to those of us with solid coins those look pretty interesting. I’ve also seen some multi-sided coins rather than the typical round ones.
One neat thing is ancient Chinese coinage has a square hole in a round coin, I always thought that looked cool. Civilization is old in this part of the world, so there are tons of old coins. Song dynasty coins are about 50k VND locally (2.50). Want something older, from the Three Kingdoms period (over two millenia old)? That will be… the same price. They are so common that no one cares.
Ancient Vietnamese coins are a bit harder to find, and look pretty similar too. I have one of the first coins minted in the country, found it in some scrap metal recovered while dredging a river or a shipwreck or something. It’s worth… about 50 cents.
Great coins to collect for someone on a budget. Watch out for fakes – but they are pretty easy to spot.
That’s pretty cool! How would someone in another part of the world collect those coins though? Does anyone sell them on ebay or something?
Ok, I’m having a slow day… so I’ll try and summarize some possibly useful knowledge!
You can find them on eBay and various sites. Search for “Chinese cash”. I wouldn’t pay more than 5$ a coin. Here in Vietnam, 2-3$ for Chinese coins in good condition is normal (Vietnamese ones cost extra). In Singapore, maybe 5$.
Be advised that online vendors probably buy in bulk from antique shops who have picked out anything actually rare from their stock. So claims of “rare” are almost always false, and claims of “ancient” are irrelevant – so many hundreds of millions of these coins were produced that anything less than about 2200 years old is super common. There are a few exceptions, like coins produced by weird factions and rebels and stuff.
There are a lot of fakes. Some of the fakes are also ancient – those are interesting. Some depict “fantasy” dynasties from legend that never existed. Like if it reads “dragon phoenix eternal dynasty” or something, it’s fake, but might still be hundreds of years old. Also some temples and whatever issued coins for visitors. This type of fake often goes on family shrines (at least they do with my in-laws).
Then there are modern replicas (I won’t call them fake as they are not produced with the intent to sell as the real deal). These are mostly for divination (e.g. I Ching), feng shui good luck charms, or for religious use. These are usually pretty obvious as they lack any real patina.
One way people collect these coins is to try and get one from every emperor. Or to create N-emperor charms, I think the most common is the 5-emperor charm (Shunzhi, Kangxi, Yongzheng, Qianlong, Jiaqing). These are used in traditional feng shui – since China was prosperous under those emperors, their names bring prosperity or something like that. You hang it somewhere specific.
Personally, I’m an anti-feng-shui practitioner. I optimize my life for the worst possible feng shui, so I get cheaper stuff superstitious people don’t want. It’s worked pretty well. Can maybe apply to these coins too – the coins for 5-emperor charms are probably more in demand. By this logic, I would make a 5-worst-emperors charm to save money (I am notoriously shrewd in matters of finance).
Next, to date the coins, you normally read the text from top-bottom-right-left (there are a few exceptions that are clockwise too I think). These symbols form the historical period when the coin was minted, which usually won’t be an exact date, but often will be within a decade or whatever unless it’s one of the ones that was produced for centuries. Sometimes there are mint marks on the verso you can use too.
You tell which part of the coin is up, by looking for the character “Bao” (寶). This is almost always the leftmost character. The character ‘Tong’ (通) is a common right-hand character, but there are several others.
Complicating matters is the occasional use of old imperial seal script instead of traditional Chinese characters. You’ll know it when you see it :D Some coins have a version in both. Knowing these things, you should be able to ID a coin on Google within about 30 minutes if you can’t read Chinese (I know this because I can’t read Chinese).
All the above applies to the Tang dynasty (say 621 CE and later). These are the more interesting and diverse ones. Earlier coins are harder to assign dates to. Wu Zhu coins (going back to 118 BCE) have some small differences over time you can sometimes use. Then before that, you’ve got knife money – little dull bronze knives that were used for trade as they could be melted down into real knives and tools. These get more expensive though, if you stick to Wu Zhu and Tong Bao coins it’s pretty affordable.
If you get a coin you can’t ID, or think you’re getting ripped off, ping me and I’ll give it a go!
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Wow that is some fantastic information, thanks! I’d give you some reddit tokens, but you answer is worth more than that. 😄
No worries! I’m just glad to share a neat thing :)
Oh one more thing I just remembered – ancient bronze coins were made with a fair amount of lead. If you go to a dealer, sometimes it’s a huge pile of dusty coins… that dust is like 10% lead. So resist the urge to lick your fingers, and instead go wash your hands :P
I like the Danish øre.
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The Canadian dollar coin, the Loonie, comes to mind as a multi-sided example. I can’t remember which countries have holes in their coins.
Edited to correct typos.
I’ve always loved our toonie as well, the two different metals just looks so great. The black ones for remembrance of QEII are especially nice.
I personally have always loved our money in general, a lot of it stands out quite a bit. I do find it quite funny though that even with such unique physical money, we are one of the most cashless countries in the world.
I’m definitely not a fan of her majesty, but that black toonie is sharp.
So many sides some of them almost feel round.
¥50 and ¥5 coins have holes in the centre of them.
Denmark has coins with holes in the center, but it’s not all of them.
This bird needs more recognition, it’s in every remote isolated location at dusk, even alien planets.
i always thought so too! Dont know if im remembeting right, but as a kid I visited the phillipines and bored waiting for my parents this security guard sshowed us a ccoin with a hole in it. He put the middle of a candy wrapper through it and tied it so it looked like a shuttlecock and the coin weighed it down. And we used it to play hackeysack.
always loved coins with holes in them since then.