What happened in the vegan community?

I hadn’t heard about any of this until seeing that ToS post.

  • Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org
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    2 months ago

    Well now I’m wondering if you ever had an actual conversation with a vegan, because they actually have good reasons for this. A vegan diet is simply the most consequential idea if you want to minimize the necessity for animals to die, at the very least (even if we ignore the various ways of exploitation) because male chickens and calves obviously have to be killed in order for these industries to function.

    • BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world
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      2 months ago

      I’ve had conversations with vegans, and when one said that honey isn’t vegan because it’s produced by an insect (they said animal, but that’s incorrect), I stopped pretending that (at least some) vegans have any logic to their arguments.

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        2 months ago

        Wait, why is there no logic in there? Insects are animals, and honey is made by bees, which are insects and thus animals.

        If you believe you shouldn’t use animals for your food production, which is a reasonable definition of veganism, then you shouldn’t eat honey.

        I mean, fine if you do eat honey too, but I don’t really see your point here.

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            2 months ago

            You might be mixing up vegetarianism and veganism. Vegans also don’t drink milk or eat eggs. You don’t need to kill a cow or a chicken to get either.

            • Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org
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              2 months ago

              You don’t need to kill a cow or a chicken to get either.

              You kinda do though, at least if you’re purchasing those products. Male chickens and calves definitely have to be killed to sustain those industries.

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                2 months ago

                You’re not wrong, but it’s kinda besides the point in this argument about honey not being vegan.

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                  2 months ago

                  I agree, but originally the question was about cheese and eggs. The honey argument came a bit out of nowhere tbh.

      • BCsven@lemmy.ca
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        2 months ago

        Some vegans feel any animal explotation is wrong, even down to taking the honey the hive created for their colony. Bees are in the animal kingdom, beside plants and fungus category. Also, over harvesting, moving hives to rent out pollinators is creating hive stress and together with nicotine seems to account for a lot of hive collapse/death. We have a growing hive collapse problem, that will end badly for the world if it continues