i think its disguting and immoral. i want to hear other people opinions on it. by biocomputing i mean dna used computer storage,neuron based computing ,and any other computing that makes use of living biology.
i think its disguting and immoral. i want to hear other people opinions on it. by biocomputing i mean dna used computer storage,neuron based computing ,and any other computing that makes use of living biology.
idk it rubs me the wrong way,like what if they are sentient and we are tormenting them?
also i have some religious beliefs that ban altering of creation of god. and i think biocomputing would be included in that.
What if computers are sentient and we’re torturing them too?
i dont think they are sentient. the ones made from silcon i mean. why? bec sand isn’t alive,but we have proof neurons arw alive since our brain is made of them.
What does it mean to be alive? And how do you know that something is or isn’t?
i think the answer would be if it has internal quaila or not. i think neurons do have them.
A component of a component of a living thing is not inherently alive. We know neurons are alive not because they are part of the composition of the brain, but because they exhibit properties of life. Neurons being alive doesn’t mean that atoms are alive, for instance. Similarly the brain also contains water and fats which are definitely not alive.
You’ve touched on a very old question in biology: “what does it mean to be alive?” and the answer to that is going to change somewhat on who you talk to and what your subject is. Cells are alive, but in a completely different way from both “simple” multicellular life and “complex” cellular life, but I’m not really aware of a clear boundary existing.
Like all fields of study, there are orders of magnitude more information available at higher levels of research than what most people are taught in school. Clinging to the simplified views of biology organized for university or lower grades as being the end all be all of the field is a great way to harbor ignorance and bigotry.
i will search more on this topic to see if my current views on it are wrong or right,according to my religious beliefs ,and how science actually treats and talks about them.
if you have any points to tell me about it im happy to engage in a discussion.
at what point do you distinguish a thing from the components it’s made of?
You say neurons have qualia, but its parts certainly don’t. Proteins don’t. Lipids don’t. Molecules don’t. But when you put them together in a specific configuration you say they do?
How is this different from silica? Why can’t a thing composed of silica have qualia even if the parts individually don’t?
ok this do you believe what are the least needed parts to make a being sentient? i believe 3 parts are needed,a heart,nervous system,and a brain. less than that it may or may not be sentient idk thats why i asked for other people opinions here.
I don’t think we understand sentience yet. I think it is possible, if not likely, that there are sentient things which we believe are not.
i also don’t think a heart is relevant at all to sentience, as it plays no role in perception which I believe is the core of sentience. The heart is just a pump that moves resources through the body.
I don’t think a nervous system is necessary either, unless you define “nervous system” very broadly. I think any sufficiently complex sensory input system would be enough to provide the elements of perception required to foster sentience.
As for the brain… I’m not convinced it has to look like a brain as we know it. The brain provides several primary functions, but only a few of them are related to perception (many are instead related to automation of bodily functions).
I think any system that can receive input, store a memory (and I don’t mean cognitive recall, I just mean historical record in the loosest sense), and perform complex conditional responses based on the input and memory, could produce something we would call sentience.
I encourage you to learn more about the subject and close some of your knowledge gaps. You still may not agree with myself on the matter, but you’ll hopefully be able to elucidate your concerns more concretely. As it stands now, however, “idk” and “it rubs me the wrong way” seem like a fear of the unknown which is an insecure basis upon which to construct a belief system or guide your principals.
I’m curious which greater religion you espouse. I’d argue that virtually any human action is one of altering, and while predation, gathering, locomotion, and vocalization could be ascribed to alter in a manner consistent with a god given design, every action from cooking onward directly alters “creation” in a manner not inherent to our biology. That is to say, once we adopted tools and fire we ascended above the actions of other animals.
i follow islam,specifically quran alone. i agree i do fear biocomputing bec it seems like a horror. i am however open to learn more about it. i will do research about it. but if you have any points to present to me im willing to listen even if i didnt agree.
I must admit, I know less of Islam than I do of Judaism or Christianity (being an agnostic atheist former nondenominational protestant christian myself); though I can understand coming to the conclusion that bioengineering is one of the moral tests in a world where humans are allowed to be but lack a specific dominion or subjugation over.
Unfortunately, I don’t have concrete resources for you at this time, as my understanding is borne of years of passive interest rather than specific study.
Do you believe that your moral opposition to this field of study should forcibly be respected by all people or that it is a personal guidance you alone must follow?
i don’t believe in force ,i think i should adovcate against it(in my current view of biocomputing that may change or not not sure now). so i should be against it,advice others to not use it and see it as moral failure etc and attempt to not use it myself and leave or minize use of services doing it.
That is fair.
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lmao and i thought i escaped reddit neckbeard atheism
Learn to read and spell and then come back so at least you sound vaguely educated.
idc enough to do so,english is a stupid language anyway.