I think context matters here. There currently isn’t any outwardly unethical behavior on their behalf and they’re building products that are designed to be maintained and upgraded, which is a big step forward when you consider things like e-waste and protecting the environment. Those products still contain materials that through mining or producing, result in pollution and potentially underpaid labor in large factories.
I would say the scales tip to them being currently more ethical than competitors in the same space. That could change at any time and I’m sure there’s stuff we don’t know that some would frown upon.
Meh, still better than virtually all other computer OEMs by net political harm done. I’ll take one nutcase over companies sucking off a entire borderline fascist government.
Morality can be viewed through multiple lenses, I would argue that in terms of generally trying to support FOSS & reducing e waste theybare acting far mote morally than anything akin to HP & DELL.
And I’d argue that positioning their company as the moral choice makes their decision to support bigots worse than if they’d never positioned themselves that way in the first place. Which makes them basically no different to HP or DELL.
Nope. I’m not telling anyone to avoid Framework or anyone else.
But they’re not the “ethical” choice. They’re another shitty company doing shitty things that hurt people. That should be a factor in your purchasing decision, but it shouldn’t be the whole of it, because it’s pretty much impossible to exist without supporting companies like that in some way or another.
I think context matters here. There currently isn’t any outwardly unethical behavior on their behalf and they’re building products that are designed to be maintained and upgraded, which is a big step forward when you consider things like e-waste and protecting the environment. Those products still contain materials that through mining or producing, result in pollution and potentially underpaid labor in large factories.
I would say the scales tip to them being currently more ethical than competitors in the same space. That could change at any time and I’m sure there’s stuff we don’t know that some would frown upon.
Did they walk back their sponsorship of DHH?
https://www.osnews.com/story/143520/in-bizarre-move-framework-embraces-deeply-extremist-views/
Because supporting that bigot is outwardly unethical…
Meh, still better than virtually all other computer OEMs by net political harm done. I’ll take one nutcase over companies sucking off a entire borderline fascist government.
The question was are they moral. They’re not. The fact no one else is either doesn’t excuse that
No ethical consumption under capitalism aside.
Morality can be viewed through multiple lenses, I would argue that in terms of generally trying to support FOSS & reducing e waste theybare acting far mote morally than anything akin to HP & DELL.
And I’d argue that positioning their company as the moral choice makes their decision to support bigots worse than if they’d never positioned themselves that way in the first place. Which makes them basically no different to HP or DELL.
Letting perfect be the enemy of good ngl
Nope. I’m not telling anyone to avoid Framework or anyone else.
But they’re not the “ethical” choice. They’re another shitty company doing shitty things that hurt people. That should be a factor in your purchasing decision, but it shouldn’t be the whole of it, because it’s pretty much impossible to exist without supporting companies like that in some way or another.
“Let’s ditch the superlatives and review David’s post objectively:”
Who is David?
“I’m speaking, of course, of DHH: Ruby on Rails creator David Heinemeier Hansson.” From the article