Please check my post, I think everything I said is very valid, but I want this community to see it too, and help steer the discussion, I think reddit is doing this intentionally.

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    The problem with tankies has nothing to do with communism, i’m a communist, that’s not the problem at all.

    The problem with tankies is that they’re authoritarian genocide deniers. The GPL doesn’t have any authoritarianism or genocide denial in it.

    The LEAD DEV denies the genocide Uyghurs in china. It’s much worse than you’re assuming.

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      genocide Uyghurs in china

      As a person who hasn’t really looked up the issue(I mean I have read about it on the net here n there, but have never dived into the issue deeply), I have seen people talking about it on both sides and I’m confused.
      The main things I’m hearing from people who say that a genocide isn’t happening are:

      • That it’s their suppression of religion expressions being public and that people are not being genocided, but public religious expression is not greatly provided by China. That it’s similar to the stereotypes created against muslims after events like the World trade centre attack and it’s being exaggerated as genocide.
      • That it’s just propaganda seen on English speaking forums to deface the other side and if an actual genocide was happening, the countries in Asia itself would be taking action and talking about it and currently only western countries who’re far away are talking about it the most. One side claims that it’s Western or Capitalist propagnada aimed to defame and the opposite side says that it’s Chinese or Communist propaganda aimed to whitewash.

      Most of the times I’ve seen it, both sides accuse each other of being blinded by propaganda and the convo devolves there.

      Which side is actually right here?

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      Yeah! Definitely, I understand that! But in my neck of the woods “tankies” are more just boogeymen that people throw around when they want to cast an entire group as immoral. It’s not that they don’t exist, but they aren’t gaining power either. It just seems like an appeal to fear (a reasonable one at that), but using illogical framing that doesn’t at all represent reality. That’s the fundemental crux of it for me. It may come to bite me in the future too! Growing up in conservative parts in the U.S. I’ve grown numb to people claiming others are communists - it comes across as more a technique for division than any real concern of community harm.

      I’m not trying be an apologist for the devs opinions or detract from them as much as I’m trying to state that open source, and this project - given its git history - doesn’t appear to spread authoritarianism. I didn’t sign an agreement to violently seize the means of production upon cloning the repository. Had this information not been swirling around on reddit (and now lemmy) I would’ve never known that I had to “cancel” yet another thing.

      I mean, personally, I’d rather fork it and make it into a vision that the people of Tucson want in their social media experience. Lemmy is a bit better architected, and I think the codebase is a bit more mature for such thing.

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        Yes, I agree that lemmy doesn’t have any politics injected into the code, and that’s why i’m on lemmy, but the devs are definitely politically fucked up.